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global1

(25,266 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:23 PM Dec 2015

Just Curious - How Much Money Is Required To Purchase The Large Amount Of Ammo These Two....

had on their possession and in their home? How easy is it to purchase such a large amount? Wouldn't someone get suspicious of someone purchasing this large amount of ammo? Why would one need that large amount of ammo for only the four guns that were found on these two? Did they find other firearms at the home?

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Just Curious - How Much Money Is Required To Purchase The Large Amount Of Ammo These Two.... (Original Post) global1 Dec 2015 OP
"Wouldn't someone get suspicious of someone purchasing this large amount of ammo?" KamaAina Dec 2015 #1
Heh. tosh Dec 2015 #3
Many shooters buy in bulk once or twice a year to cut costs hack89 Dec 2015 #2
It should be suspicious. Yeah, some of it may be legitimate to the extent arming up can be Hoyt Dec 2015 #4
That's nice. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #5
As is your defense of the next Zman, Dunn, etc. Hoyt Dec 2015 #7
Heres how that would work Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #33
Not in my world. It darn sure doesn't work your way, except for the gunners. Hoyt Dec 2015 #38
5000 Rounds?...seems like a lot...nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #30
Not if you have a bunch of kids you are training to kill. Hoyt Dec 2015 #39
That is about 250 boxes of cartridges. Drahthaardogs Dec 2015 #49
Not if you shoot a lot hack89 Dec 2015 #51
I have encountered a total knuckledragging jackass who was constantly bragging about his weaponry. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #6
That's not much according to some of our Gungeoneers. Hoyt Dec 2015 #8
It seems like plenty, but not if paranoia oozes from every pore. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #10
It depends on how much ammo you go through each trip to the range. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #14
Since most are supposedly training to hunt or home defense, you don't need that much ammo. Now Hoyt Dec 2015 #18
How you choose to spend your disposable income is your choice. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #19
Not true, or it should not be with gunz. I get GOPers promoting lethal weapons proliferation. Hoyt Dec 2015 #20
Take it up with the folks who wrote the party platform... TipTok Dec 2015 #29
I don't think they support the kind of gun crud going on today. Besides, we need to Hoyt Dec 2015 #31
Or the stockpile needed for the invasion: Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #23
If your accuracy is only 10%, ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #24
It's complicated with an army of three who cannot shoot worth a damn. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #27
Here's an example atreides1 Dec 2015 #9
Yeah TeddyR Dec 2015 #58
1,000 rounds of .223 Remington costs between $350 - $400 Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #11
$800 to $1500 MSRP for an AR-15 or a look alike. 1939 Dec 2015 #16
"Entry level" AR-15s are a little over $500. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #53
I just finished building one in .300 Blackout. Not counting scope and mount it was Waldorf Dec 2015 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Dec 2015 #12
About $3,000 (Winchester Brand) for what they found in the house. Glassunion Dec 2015 #13
they had a nice Chevy Suburban , a cute child etc....... olddots Dec 2015 #15
smoke and drink THEMSELVES is not the same as murdered by gun owner nt msongs Dec 2015 #17
What about 10k DUI deaths Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #34
Good reason to tolerate gun shootings and intimidation. Hoyt Dec 2015 #41
I heard on the news that the Suburban was a rental. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #32
Much less now after regulation and stigma than the "old Days". Jim Beard Dec 2015 #42
Leave guns alone...make ammo illegal n/t Bonhomme Richard Dec 2015 #21
Re-size it Politicalboi Dec 2015 #28
You know you can reload ammo right Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #36
most people shanti Dec 2015 #57
I like the insurance idea and if the gun gets "stolen" make the insurance 10x's the amount Jim Beard Dec 2015 #44
You really don't understand insurance... nt branford Dec 2015 #66
You do realize that insurance won't pay out for crime, right? krispos42 Dec 2015 #47
Can't do it TeddyR Dec 2015 #60
Some years back, a friend of mine bought 10 boxes of 9 mm ammo nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #22
They'll find out something about their helpers with evidence flamingdem Dec 2015 #25
They didn't necessarily buy it all at once Shrek Dec 2015 #26
I have ammo from 1940, so yes, the shelf life is pretty long Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #35
223 rifle ammo is commonly sold in 1000 round boxes Calista241 Dec 2015 #37
Unless you are into target shooting (professionally) why in the world would you need to be madinmaryland Dec 2015 #48
you can buy smaller amounts of ammo. Calista241 Dec 2015 #52
That sounds like a horrific waste of money for so very little satisfaction. madinmaryland Dec 2015 #54
So does golf. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #64
Miniature golf is fun once in a while!!! madinmaryland Dec 2015 #65
Yeah TeddyR Dec 2015 #61
Assault rifles shoot a lot of bullets fast librechik Dec 2015 #63
maybe 400-500 per 1k. ileus Dec 2015 #40
For the rifle, about .40 cents a round for the cheap military ball, the handguns about Waldorf Dec 2015 #43
I think handgun ammo ranges from 30¢ to maybe $1 krispos42 Dec 2015 #45
They wouldn't need actual money, they could have just got a line of credit 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #46
Figure going to the target range 1939 Dec 2015 #50
What? Travis_0004 Dec 2015 #59
One thing is for sure, they aren't going to get a chance to use any more of that shit. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2015 #55
i heard an estimate of 20K + redstateblues Dec 2015 #56
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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. "Wouldn't someone get suspicious of someone purchasing this large amount of ammo?"
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

No, 'cause it's not like they're buying a large amount of Sudafed or anything like that.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
2. Many shooters buy in bulk once or twice a year to cut costs
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

It is a lot cheaper. It is common and not suspicious.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. It should be suspicious. Yeah, some of it may be legitimate to the extent arming up can be
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:37 PM
Dec 2015

legitimate, but I have no problem at all profiling lethal weapons and ammo purchasers. They have no problem accumulating the darn things and using them against the best interests of society.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
33. Heres how that would work
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

White person buys ammo-Have a nice day
Black person buys ammo-He looks suspicious. File a report.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
49. That is about 250 boxes of cartridges.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:10 PM
Dec 2015

I doubt they purchased them all at once, but over time, which would be less suspicious. If you are a dedicated shooter, you likely purchase ammunition often. They are consumable after all.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
6. I have encountered a total knuckledragging jackass who was constantly bragging about his weaponry.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

He had thousands of rounds for every one of his many weapons.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Since most are supposedly training to hunt or home defense, you don't need that much ammo. Now
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
Dec 2015

if you are training on one of those urban warfare ranges, or training to shoot people -- yeah you'll need a lot of ammo like the militia types.

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask gun nuts to reign it back. Heck all that lead is an environmental pollutant and gun powder stinks, not to mention gunz polluting society.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
19. How you choose to spend your disposable income is your choice.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015

You seem to have an odd sense of "need", but I do appreciate the comedic relief your gun posts provide.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. Not true, or it should not be with gunz. I get GOPers promoting lethal weapons proliferation.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

I really don't get Dems who do.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. I don't think they support the kind of gun crud going on today. Besides, we need to
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:33 PM
Dec 2015

take it up with the gun yahoos, just like folks did with cigarettes, confederate flags, pollution, and the like.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
23. Or the stockpile needed for the invasion:
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:19 PM
Dec 2015

It's a bit of simple arithmetic:

total number of rounds = {(total shooters)/(fraction of hits per shots fired)}*(number of scary dark people to kill)

Let's say that you have three people with guns who shoot with an accuracy of 10% lethality (0.10) and you want kill 200 "targets":

Total rounds = (3/0.10)*200 = 6000

The number goes up substantially if you want to "kill them all."

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
24. If your accuracy is only 10%,
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

I am not letting you waste any of MY ammo!


If you are fending off the "invasion", there is probably going to be a logistics problem on resupplies. Thus you are going to need more ammo to start with.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
11. 1,000 rounds of .223 Remington costs between $350 - $400
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:56 PM
Dec 2015

Depending on brand, bullet grain, etc.

Price will fluctuate with availability, but .223 is a pretty common round (I assume, as the rifles that make use of it are popular -- I'm not a gun owner), so I doubt it get much more expensive that I'm seeing right now.

The rifles, on the other hand, those probably weren't cheap. Where he got the money for them is beyond me.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
53. "Entry level" AR-15s are a little over $500.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015

An average cost for an AR is probably about $750. High-end ones can go WAY up from there, but that's a small part of the market. They're pretty inexpensive as rifles go. That much money buys you a mid-range hunting rifle from one of the big makers.

Paramilitary semi-automatics aren't my thing (I'm a rifle competitor, but in different kinds of competition than you'd use an AR for...my rifles are bolt-action), but there are several million of them out there. Very popular...

Waldorf

(654 posts)
62. I just finished building one in .300 Blackout. Not counting scope and mount it was
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:59 PM
Dec 2015

about $980 for the parts. I didn't go cheap on some of the parts. During the Thanksgiving Holiday I saw some sales for a complete upper assembly as low as $299.

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olddots

(10,237 posts)
15. they had a nice Chevy Suburban , a cute child etc.......
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:07 PM
Dec 2015

This is a mystery and we all love a mysyery and there will be many more mysterys untill we solve the gun mystery .We have the A.T.F. and still people smoke and drink themselves to death.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
32. I heard on the news that the Suburban was a rental.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

I think we are going to find out that this couple got radicalized.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
28. Re-size it
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:12 PM
Dec 2015

If they can't get rid of ammo. Make new safe guns with new re-sized bullets. Those will be the new guns that are covered by the 2nd. Make gun owners pay insurance, and register their weapon and ammo. Put the burden of owning a gun on THEM! Eventually they'll run out of ammo and have to buy the new safe guns.

Give everyone 2 years tops to either get rid of their old unsafe guns and ammo. Those that don't comply should get 20 years minimum in a Federal prison.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
36. You know you can reload ammo right
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:46 PM
Dec 2015

I go to a dealership once a month, pick up old lead wheel weights, and make my bullets from that.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
57. most people
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:49 PM
Dec 2015

won't be doing that, you know. kind of like most cannabis users won't be growing their own.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
44. I like the insurance idea and if the gun gets "stolen" make the insurance 10x's the amount
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

of the firist one.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
47. You do realize that insurance won't pay out for crime, right?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

If I buy a policy then go shoot up a McDonald's because I had a bad day at work, they're not going to pay a single cent to anybody.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. Some years back, a friend of mine bought 10 boxes of 9 mm ammo
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

at Walmart. There were a few questions asked, by the manager, but since it was for a target shoot event, that was the extent of it. And the questions were rare. Usually they go, you want 10 boxes, sure, bring a cart, this is heavy.

And they have not found any other fire arms, but they did find other ammo for a long gun... paraphrasing what the chief said in the morning. I will not speculate any.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
25. They'll find out something about their helpers with evidence
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:33 PM
Dec 2015

and that includes weapons and bombs that will have DNA and fingerprints.

They've said that "friends" bought weapons for them.

Shrek

(3,983 posts)
26. They didn't necessarily buy it all at once
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:51 PM
Dec 2015

It isn't that hard to make relatively small purchases and stockpile it. The shelf life is pretty long.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
37. 223 rifle ammo is commonly sold in 1000 round boxes
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:48 PM
Dec 2015

when purchased in bulk like that, you're looking at around $0.50 a round or about that.

9mm ammo, a pistol round, is also commonly sold in 1000 round boxes, and you're probably looking at $0.25 to $0.30 per round when purchased in quantity.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
48. Unless you are into target shooting (professionally) why in the world would you need to be
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:08 PM
Dec 2015

buying thousands of rounds of ammo??


Calista241

(5,586 posts)
52. you can buy smaller amounts of ammo.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:15 PM
Dec 2015

if you buy in bulk, the price of 223 ammo can be as low as $0.44 per round. If you buy smaller quantities, say a box of 100 rounds, you're looking at a much higher price per round, around $1.00 each.

If you spend an hour at the range, you can easily consume 500+ rounds. People buy these guns so they can shoot them, and it can be an expensive hobby.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
54. That sounds like a horrific waste of money for so very little satisfaction.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:26 PM
Dec 2015

I guess whatever turns you on.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
61. Yeah
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:55 PM
Dec 2015

I usually shoot about 300 rounds in less than an hour when I go to the range. Cost is about $15 for a box of 50 rounds so it is sort of pricey.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
63. Assault rifles shoot a lot of bullets fast
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:30 PM
Dec 2015

If you are target shooting, you could go through 1000 rounds in a couple of minutes. So for more target shooting fun, more bullets.

I guess...

Waldorf

(654 posts)
43. For the rifle, about .40 cents a round for the cheap military ball, the handguns about
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:58 PM
Dec 2015

.30 cents a round. And a lot of people buy ammo in bulk, as it's much cheaper and you only pay one shipping fee.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
45. I think handgun ammo ranges from 30¢ to maybe $1
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

Depending on quality and quantity. The military-spec stuff you can buy cheap in bulk; the premium expanding bonded fancy stuff costs more.

Figure about a buck to three bucks for rifle round.

The cheap .22 rimfire stuff is only a few cents a round and comes in 500-round boxes. It's used mostly for plinking and practice, as it's cheap and low-powered.

"2,000 rounds of ammo" could be 4 bulk boxes of .22 ammo that cost maybe $100. Or it could be premium .223 rifle ammo that totals over four grand.



Also, the stuff has an effectively unlimited shelf life. It's not milk, after all.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
46. They wouldn't need actual money, they could have just got a line of credit
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:06 PM
Dec 2015

Its not like they intended to pay off the debt anyway

1939

(1,683 posts)
50. Figure going to the target range
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:12 PM
Dec 2015

Maybe 50-60 rounds of pistol ammo per range day (otherwise your hand will hurt like hell).

Figure 100-150 rounds per rifle range day.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
59. What?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:52 PM
Dec 2015

Hand hurting after 50 rounds? On a very light .380, sure.

I have fired 250 shots easily in a day and felt just fine.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
55. One thing is for sure, they aren't going to get a chance to use any more of that shit.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:34 PM
Dec 2015

Neither will any of the other maniac bastards that stockpiled that shit. You have to wonder
why they thought they would need that much when after using a relatively few bullets they
must have known they would be shot dead by the cops.

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