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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Tue May 29, 2012, 05:06 PM May 2012

A depressed nation craves Stimulants

We used to be anxious and bored. Weed is good for that. Alcohol is not really "good" for anything except de-icing windshields, but in relative terms it is a good drug when you're anxious and bored. And opiates pretty much negate anxiety and boredom as concepts.

1960s hippies and bored housewives and rat-racing salary-men were not so much about uppers. (Though it had been assumed for decades that coffee was the most important meal of the day.) There was some stimulant abuse, of course. ("Hi, I'm Johnny Cash.&quot Stimulants go great with the alcoholic life-style, allowing one to drink more and recover from hangovers faster. And the 1960s saw a lot of amphetamines prescribed for weight loss. But uppers were not the main recreational drugs.

But over the last two generations America has been increasingly depressed. And alongside the explosion of anti-depressant use has come an explosion of stimulants in all forms.

One problem with stimulants is that in high doses over time they induce psychosis more reliably than anything. And energetic psychosis!

A lot of old hippies will tell you that the scene went to hell when the stimulants came into vogue. Particularly cocaine. (That's what they're smuggling in EASY RIDER, BTW... you can't fit all that much weed on a motorcycle.) Cocaine is guaranteed to make you an asshole. The 1970s were about bikers and disco-addicts using coke. The 1980s were about rich people using coke. After all, to paraphrase Gordon Gecko (but not by much), "Being an asshole is good." And the 1980s were about poor people using crack cocaine.

Psychedelics might make you feel in touch with God. Stimulants cut out the middle-man and make you think you are God.

There is always a new wonder drug that cures all ills, and it's always just another form of speed. Freud briefly thought cocaine was a cure-all. (And so did Sherlock Holmes and the manufacturers of Coca-Cola.) In the 1950s cortisone was a universal miracle drug... until you become psychotic. (It was a terrible violation of the public trust that we had a president taking high doses of cortisone to combat a terminal illness and we never knew it. No wonder the Russians feared JFK.)

Anyway, stimulants got a big boost from the trucker craze of the 1970s. Stimulants are good for hourly workers because they can work more hours. (Whereas the salary-men on Mad Men drink booze all day to make the day disappear... they're getting paid anyway)

In the 1990s it was ritalin on the prescription side. Caffeine over-the-counter at Starbucks.

The 2000s are about crystal meth on the street side. And Red Bull and other stimulant patent medicines... Jesus! People drink Vodka and Red Bull. (I guess it's like Irish Coffee... but ewwww!) Young people line up those little bottles of upper-juice from 7-11 like shots.

Why?

Because we are depressed. Stimulants are a practical and rather effective symptomatic treatment for depression. (Back before we had modern antidepressant drugs a serious depressive would be given amphetamines.)

Also because we are underpaid and we are fat. Stimulants help us work two jobs and lose weight. Of course, we are depressed about having to work two jobs and being depressed makes us fatter, so it all comes full circle.

What is a depressive culture like? Not to go Goodwin-y here, but the starkest description of a depressive culture I've read was in a history of the famed German UFA film studio. By 1942 almost all Germans knew they were going to lose WWII, but were not free to say so. Everyone knew the world around them was doomed... but did their neighbor's know? It wasn't safe to say. (In psych-jargon their ongoing trauma were not narrativized.)

Berliners increasingly sat in movie theaters all day long... warm and alone in the dark. Goebbels made stirring propaganda movies but the public just got more depressed. Eventually Goebbels came to realize that military propoganda had become bad for national morale. It just alienated people without hope even more to see a parody of hope. Escapism was all that was desired. In the last years of the war UFA made surprisingly few martial propaganda movies and concentrated on sing-song romances set in the lovely past. (The closest American equivalent was those Jeanette McDonald operetta movies.) Folks would let them wash over them all day, with the only interruption being the one or two times they turned the lights up to look for (younger and younger) able-bodied boys who might be hiding there. (They were all supposed to be fighting Russians.)

When you are angry because the jig is up but you can't talk about it you get depressed.

And stimulants will restore a lot of basic function. Until, of course, you drive your pick-up through the front of a 7-11 wearing nothing but cowboy boots, or eat somebody's face, or "realize" that everyone else is just robots.

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A depressed nation craves Stimulants (Original Post) cthulu2016 May 2012 OP
I'm probably in the minority, in that I've never used illegal drugs of any kind. Johnny Rico May 2012 #1
Some people do not like being changed. cthulu2016 May 2012 #2
Dr. Feelgood has just the thing a depressed nation needs: kenny blankenship May 2012 #3
time to get serious! JVS May 2012 #7
A depressed economy craves stimulus abelenkpe May 2012 #4
very nice observations...i think you're on to something nashville_brook May 2012 #5
Good story, about the 5-hour Energy girls cthulu2016 May 2012 #6
"Gateways" loyalsister May 2012 #12
... Fumesucker May 2012 #8
I see it more as an issue of lack of moderation Major Nikon May 2012 #9
Why a lack of moderation is stimulants, then? cthulu2016 May 2012 #10
I just don't see depression as the root cause Major Nikon May 2012 #11
 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
1. I'm probably in the minority, in that I've never used illegal drugs of any kind.
Tue May 29, 2012, 05:13 PM
May 2012

While I've tasted alcohol, I've never had more than one drink in a night. I don't use stimulants; don't even drink coffee.

I've just never seen the point of it...but to each their own. As far as I'm concerned everything should be legal, from booze to heroin.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. Some people do not like being changed.
Tue May 29, 2012, 05:24 PM
May 2012

This is not about you, at all, but an observation about someone I know who has no drug-motivation. It is someone who is seriously OCD and her stability and reduction of anxiety is tied to the maintenance of all sorts of tics, rituals and developed rationalizations.

So anything that changes her mental state in any direction weakens her complex OCD self-regulation and makes her feel worse.

Again, nothing to do with you. Just an interesting example of a person who does not crave change in her state of mind.

But a lot of folks do crave that control over their mental state. Not everyone gets it from drugs, of course. Some get it from exercise or meditation... or road rage. (Anger is a reliable change in mental state that some people nurture.)

If you have no drive to change-up your mind and sense of self, then more power to you. It's unusual in our culture. (And probably enviable.)

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
5. very nice observations...i think you're on to something
Tue May 29, 2012, 07:49 PM
May 2012

i'd just add that anxiety is the flipside of depression. it's so intertwined, in fact, that anxiety is commonly treated with anti-depressants.

i know that for those of us who're lucky enough to have a job right now, anxiety is a constant battle. we're tossing back 5-hour Energy like there's no tomorrow. we have to. we're doing the work that it used to take 4, 5, 6 people to do. and many of us are scared shitless that we'll lose our job, our healthcare, our homes, and our families.

the 5-hour Energy sent scantily-clad girls to our office to hand our free "juice." they set up a table and gave everyone as much free 5-hour energy as we'd take. i'd never tried this product before. i like another product called Brain Toniq. Now, i like both. Brain Toniq in the morning, 5-hour energy in the afternoon. the upside is i'm cutting back on caffeine.

If i'm not performing at 120% all day (from 9 until 7pm...and then checking in at night + first thing when i get up), i'm falling behind. if i fall behind, i'll have pissed-off, stressed-out brokers yelling at me (and they're on as much 5-hour energy as i am).

i came home wanting to turn on the TV. i never do that, but i need a darkened room and i have episodes of Game of Thrones to watch...it's about feudalism and i'm finding that (not-surprisingly) cathartic.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. Good story, about the 5-hour Energy girls
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:21 AM
May 2012

I didn't know they were so aggressive.

I have seen the pretty-girls pushing consumables thing (the 1st one's always free!) many times, but always for alcohol and cigarettes. I guess 5-hour Energy sees themselves in the same niche... as a "vice" product.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. "Gateways"
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:04 PM
May 2012

I know a guy who is an addict and went from coffee to No Doze\legal stimulants to cocaine. He was never interested in anything resembling a depressant. He hated MJ.

I wonder if there could be someone to give advice on how best to use 5- hour energy so that higher level of stimulation is not sought?

I think admitting that there is an urge to make biological changes with chemicals that is not going to go away would be useful, so that people could be advised on how to protect their health simultaneously.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. I see it more as an issue of lack of moderation
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:24 AM
May 2012

I don't really see it as a "depressive culture" (not entirely sure what that means) craving stimulants. Only 10% or less of the population is pathologically depressed, yet 85% of the population use caffine on a regular basis. People crave stimulants because they improve mental and physical performance and because they are addicting to various degrees. It's really that simple. People have also been using stimulants for many millennia with no ill health effects for about as long. In moderation, there are many positive effects of the regular use of mild stimulants and virtually no negative effects.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
10. Why a lack of moderation is stimulants, then?
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:15 AM
May 2012

The OP posits a spectacular increase over 40-50 years in use of and reliance on stimulants of various types, on the over-the-counter level, on the prescription level and on the street-drug level.

If true, that cannot be explained by noting that people have always used stimulants, which I certainly agree that we have.

(And if not true then there is no phenomenon to speculate about, of course.)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
11. I just don't see depression as the root cause
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:17 PM
May 2012

With everything else being equal, societies tend to become more depressed as they get more affluent. So I think it's safe to say that levels of depression have risen somewhat over the past 100 years or so in the US, but I don't see a relationship to stimulant use or abuse just because of the relatively low level of depression rates compared to stimulant use.

As different types of stimulants become more widely available and less expensive, it just makes sense that people are going to use and abuse them more given their performance improving effects and addictive nature.

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