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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:15 PM Dec 2015

A shocking statistic about gun deaths in the US

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/4/9851102/gun-deaths-us-children

The share of Americans killed by guns is without parallel in the developed world. The most striking statistic: 87 percent of children killed by guns in 23 of the world's most developed, wealthiest countries were Americans.
chart showing percentage of gun deaths that are children

That comes from a 2011 analysis of 2003 mortality data from members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of wealthy, developed nations. It found that in general, Americans were killed by guns far more frequently than people in the other 22 countries, including Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, and Hungary. They were also more likely to be killed, period: The American homicide rate was seven times the rate of the other 22 countries.

The other findings underscore, in the wake of the San Bernardino massacre, that this is a uniquely American problem:
Firearm homicide rates in the US were 20 times higher than in the other countries studied.
American teenagers and young adults, ages 15 through 24, were 43 times more likely to be killed by a gun than their counterparts in other wealthy, developed countries.
Among the 23 countries with a combined population of 854 million people, the US had roughly one-third of the people — and 80 percent of the gun deaths.

Regardless of whether mass killings like the one in San Bernardino are becoming more frequent, they happen far more in the US than anywhere else.



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A shocking statistic about gun deaths in the US (Original Post) KamaAina Dec 2015 OP
But It's Our 2nd Amendment Right SoCalMusicLover Dec 2015 #1
If the San Bernadino terroists would have been limited to a standard hunting doc03 Dec 2015 #2
+1000 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #4
Yes, you can shoot very quickly with a revolver if trained. Waldorf Dec 2015 #6
Here comes the usual strawman from the gun defenders about how fast a revolver doc03 Dec 2015 #7
Not a strawman at all. You stated that their was no way so many people could be killed or injured Waldorf Dec 2015 #12
That is usual game plan of the gun nuts, make some bullshit argument doc03 Dec 2015 #16
Can I say this is the usual game plan of gun-grabbers, just make stuff up? Waldorf Dec 2015 #18
Two things dsc Dec 2015 #14
Oh FFS, are you serious? And Professional QBs can throw the ball 80 yards. nt Logical Dec 2015 #21
You missed the entire point. The person i responded to said their was no way that a revolver(s) Waldorf Dec 2015 #24
Yes, the terrorists will practice long enough to do it. Should take a week or two! nt Logical Dec 2015 #25
Standard hunting rifles are not limited to three-round magazines. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #9
They are in OHio and we do just fine with them. n/t doc03 Dec 2015 #10
Yes, they do sell hunting rifles that accept more than 3 rounds. You just can't hunt with Waldorf Dec 2015 #15
I didn't say they couldn't sell them I just said you are limited to 3 doc03 Dec 2015 #22
Thanks. I keep forgetting that the Ohio hunting laws ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #19
Well first of all they coundn't have fired no way near that many rounds in the same amount doc03 Dec 2015 #11
Not saying the study is wrong TeddyR Dec 2015 #3
"we have a violence problem that supersedes the gun problem" 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #5
If children murdered by guns were going to change the minds of the gun-freaks, Aristus Dec 2015 #8
A shocking title on the statistics. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #13
that is 1/10 of 9/11 dsc Dec 2015 #20
If we just arm all the kids Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #17
K&R Photographer Dec 2015 #23
Another 75,000 are injured by gunfire each year. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2015 #26
Terrorist, if it's not one thing it's another. JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #27
 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
1. But It's Our 2nd Amendment Right
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

You can take away our younger generation DAMNIT, but don't take away or restrict our guns in any way.

Those statistics cited in that article are going to continue climbing at an accelerated rate. There is no escape.

God Bless America!

doc03

(35,340 posts)
2. If the San Bernadino terroists would have been limited to a standard hunting
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:25 PM
Dec 2015

rifle with a 3 shot magazine and 6 shot revolvers there is no way they could have killed and wounded that many people.
How f---g hard is that for people to understand?

Waldorf

(654 posts)
6. Yes, you can shoot very quickly with a revolver if trained.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015

This guy shot a 6 round revolver (with reload in the middle) twelve times in under 3 seconds.



doc03

(35,340 posts)
7. Here comes the usual strawman from the gun defenders about how fast a revolver
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:51 PM
Dec 2015

can be fired. Well if your point is how many rounds you can shoot in a revolver you should be able to agree you don't need a
semi-auto.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
12. Not a strawman at all. You stated that their was no way so many people could be killed or injured
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:01 PM
Dec 2015

with a revolver. All I did was show you that was incorrect statement.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
16. That is usual game plan of the gun nuts, make some bullshit argument
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:06 PM
Dec 2015

about some extreme case where some expert can. Well Chuck Norris could have killed the whole population of LA barehanded.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
14. Two things
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:05 PM
Dec 2015

One, I notice we aren't shown if he actually hit anything he was aiming it. Two, this is tantamount to saying that we don't need calculators because some people are able to do calculations as fast as Rainman. yes, the literal world record holder at this activity would be able to, if he actually is an accurate shooter, approximate what the typical person can do with one of these guns.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
24. You missed the entire point. The person i responded to said their was no way that a revolver(s)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:24 PM
Dec 2015

could not be shot quick enough do kill/injure this many people. All I did was link a clip showing that it can indeed be done. Could I shoot and reload my revolver like that? No. But if somebody constantly trains to get quicker? Yes.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
9. Standard hunting rifles are not limited to three-round magazines.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:53 PM
Dec 2015

AR-15 style rifles are standard hunting rifles for small game.

Going with your hypothosis, in what way would your limits have changed the numbers of dead and wounded?

Waldorf

(654 posts)
15. Yes, they do sell hunting rifles that accept more than 3 rounds. You just can't hunt with
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:06 PM
Dec 2015

more than 3 rounds (chamber and magazine combined).

doc03

(35,340 posts)
22. I didn't say they couldn't sell them I just said you are limited to 3
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:10 PM
Dec 2015

rounds in the gun when hunting.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
19. Thanks. I keep forgetting that the Ohio hunting laws
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:07 PM
Dec 2015

are a bit abnormal. Not necessarily bad, just not normal when compared with elsewhere.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
11. Well first of all they coundn't have fired no way near that many rounds in the same amount
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:00 PM
Dec 2015

of time. When they had to stop and reload someone could have disabled them. I hunted small game all my life with a
bolt action .22 and a slide action 12 gauge. Never felt handicapped.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
3. Not saying the study is wrong
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:33 PM
Dec 2015

But it is based on statistics from 12 years ago. Which seems odd. Notably, this study based on deaths 12 years ago showed that the U.S. homicide rate was 7 times higher than in other countries, regardless of the weapon. In other words, we have a violence problem that supersedes the gun problem (or contributes to that problem).

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
8. If children murdered by guns were going to change the minds of the gun-freaks,
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:53 PM
Dec 2015

it would have happened after Sandy Hook. Which is to say, they will never change their minds...

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
13. A shocking title on the statistics.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:03 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, the "rates" make things sensational. The actual numbers, not so much.

Deaths, ages 0-14
USA = 378
other = 58

Yes, even one death is tragic; but that is not topic of the thread.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
26. Another 75,000 are injured by gunfire each year.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:40 PM
Dec 2015

We forget about them. Over 110,000 people are shot or killed each year.

JonathanRackham

(1,604 posts)
27. Terrorist, if it's not one thing it's another.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:43 PM
Dec 2015

Tim McVeigh didn't use a fn gun. It's the terrorist with the twisted demented ideology that kills people.

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