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http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845436/japan-gun-homicidesIts really hard to buy a gun in Japan. The country also has almost no gun homicides.
Updated by Zack Beauchamp on December 3, 2015, 5:20 p.m. ET
In most places in the United States, buying a gun is really easy: You can walk into a gun store, pass a background check, and then get your gun. In some states, you don't even need to do that much: You can buy a gun without any check at all from a private seller, or even over the internet.
That's not how it works in other countries. Here is how you buy a gun in Japan, as Vox's Max Fisher explained in a 2012 Atlantic piece on Japan's astonishingly low rate of gun violence:
To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.
This leads to a much lower rate of firearm ownership: While there are 88.8 privately owned guns per 100 people in the US, there are only 0.6 in Japan. Unsurprisingly, Japan's firearm homicide rate is way, way lower than that of the United States, according to data from the University of Sydney:
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There is much, much more at the above link.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)How would they defend themselves?
Photographer
(1,142 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)He KNEW that the Japanese were defenseless.
And that explains why Godzilla did not attack New York.
Thanks.
Tab
(11,093 posts)and people wonder why the dinosaurs became extinct.
Volaris
(10,271 posts)It wasn't very nice lol
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)The Japanese citizen showed up with swords...no guns, which would had been equally useless.
Tab
(11,093 posts)I mean, that's how all this started, right?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)That would make the British the legal government. And Washington a terrorist.
Tab
(11,093 posts)we'd already chosen to secede, we were codifying the rights of the citizens, and the possibility of an invasion (or, more likely, that the government would turn back into an autocracy). The British were apparently a secondary concern, but it made for a pithier comment, I thought.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)We have a much more independent mindset.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And obviously willing to tolerate the mindless slaughter of tens of thousands of their fellow citizens each year as they worship a supposed "right" to own a gun.
beevul
(12,194 posts)lostnfound
(16,180 posts)Wrong to say it's about control. Some of us would rather not have innocent friends strangers or ourselves murdered.
No efforts in part of pro-gun crowd to suggest alternatives. The rest of us just need to learn to say "ho-hum" and be as uncaring as the other side. Who cares? Screw them, it wasn't me.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Ignore reality at your own sufference. I've suggested education many many many times, and many of us have suggested alternatives numerous times.
But they're just not gun control centric enough for most of the control minded folks.
thucythucy
(8,067 posts)But what if a gun owner or purchaser refuses to be educated? "Take your gun safety class and shove it!" Then what? Do we take the gun away? Or deny a person the ability to purchase?
It sounds like in Japan education is required BEFORE you get the gun, and unless you're willing to be educated you can't have one. Would you support such a system here?
beevul
(12,194 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)of homicides and suicides than the Japanese use.
Mika
(17,751 posts)Independent mindset? More like the illusion of the rugged individualist.
Logical
(22,457 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)....they only have 1 government run gun store I believe.
And yet somehow have a murder rate about 10x's worse then the US.
Photographer
(1,142 posts)11.17 vs. 10.5 per 100,000
Did you use the same fact checker as Trump before you made that statement?
beevul
(12,194 posts)The metric in question, was MURDER rate not 'gun death rate'.
USA 3.55
Mexico 10.0
You may wish to have your own fact checker rechecked.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)I was looking at homicides.....if you want to include Japan's suicide rate feel free...lol
US homicide rate: 3.8 per 100,000
Mexico: 21.5 per 100,000 (I was thinking of Jamaica at 39.3 but also a gun restricted country so works just as well)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
US suicide rate: 12.1 per 100,000
Japan: 18.5 per 100,000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)between the government and the cartels. You would probably have to subtract out murders associated with those to be able to validly compare homicide rates to the US.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Very restrictive gun laws in all of them. Much, much higher gun death rates than the US. Not to mention South Africa, though it has more lax gun laws.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Photographer
(1,142 posts)A little disappointed with the ending though.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Thanks.
Photographer
(1,142 posts)and one of the first good series Amazon has done. It's from a Philip K. Dick story of a what if the axis won variety.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)When I buy stuff off the internet, Amazon comes to mind, I give them my credit card information and the goods are shipped to my address (or to what address I provide). It is not legal for me to have a gun shipped to me without a background check. Prior to 1968 it was legal to buy a gun on mail order.
Photographer
(1,142 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)as long as it is legak for the FFL dealer to sell them to me at the point of sale .
I have not purchased a gun over the internet, but my older sibling has. He said " it's a PITA, So he refuses to purchasea gun over the WOW.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Japan has a 18.5/100000 suicide rate versus 12.1 for the US.
Logical
(22,457 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Japan: 18.5 + 0.3 = 18.8
US: 12.1 + 3.8 = 15.9
Its not just about guns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Logical
(22,457 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the anti-gun folks, but they blame our murder rate and suicide rate on access to firearms. That's why you hear the number 30,000+ associated with the phrase "gun deaths".
My point is that comparing very different cultures is problematic.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,047 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Cross cultural comparisons can be problematic.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Is sky high. Also, as an island nation, there is a natural barrier to help keep guns from entering the country through a black market.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)It's on military bases, where they may be carried throughout the day, but are locked up in the armory at night. No soldier has an assault rifle in his barracks' closet.
Am I missing anything here? The army feels that it's important to control arms, even with trained professionals.
Photographer
(1,142 posts)rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Like you'd see in a bank, with more security to lock up all arms.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Ive heard it said that, if you take a walk around Waikiki, its only a matter of time until someone hands you a flyer of scantily clad women clutching handguns, overlaid with English and maybe Japanese text advertising one of the many local shooting ranges. The citys largest, the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club, advertises instructors fluent in Japanese, which is also the default language of its website. For years, this peculiar Hawaiian industry has explicitly targeted Japanese tourists, drawing them away from beaches and resorts into shopping malls, to do things that are forbidden in their own country.
Waikikis Japanese-filled ranges are the sort of quirk you might find in any major tourist town, but they're also an intersection of two societies with wildly different approaches to guns and their role in society. Fridays horrific shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater has been a reminder that America's gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the worlds 23 rich countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, Americas ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's.
But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.
Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)who explained the process of what he had to do to get a gun. It was interesting to see the amount of information that was required. Maybe one of our DUers who live in Japan can jump in and comment (there are quite a few).