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Photographer

(1,142 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:07 PM Dec 2015

This is what you have to do to own a gun in Japan (which has a near 0 gun homicide rate)

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9845436/japan-gun-homicides

It’s really hard to buy a gun in Japan. The country also has almost no gun homicides.

Updated by Zack Beauchamp on December 3, 2015, 5:20 p.m. ET

In most places in the United States, buying a gun is really easy: You can walk into a gun store, pass a background check, and then get your gun. In some states, you don't even need to do that much: You can buy a gun without any check at all from a private seller, or even over the internet.

That's not how it works in other countries. Here is how you buy a gun in Japan, as Vox's Max Fisher explained in a 2012 Atlantic piece on Japan's astonishingly low rate of gun violence:

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

This leads to a much lower rate of firearm ownership: While there are 88.8 privately owned guns per 100 people in the US, there are only 0.6 in Japan. Unsurprisingly, Japan's firearm homicide rate is way, way lower than that of the United States, according to data from the University of Sydney:

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There is much, much more at the above link.
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This is what you have to do to own a gun in Japan (which has a near 0 gun homicide rate) (Original Post) Photographer Dec 2015 OP
But what if Japan were to be invaded by the Martians? guillaumeb Dec 2015 #1
Or Godzilla! Photographer Dec 2015 #3
THAT is why Godzilla attacked Japan. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #7
Yes, it was a big-assed gun-free zone Tab Dec 2015 #23
I saw what you did there, and even if true, Volaris Dec 2015 #46
That's funny, because earlier I watched some of the original movie. rusty quoin Dec 2015 #27
Or had to defend themselves from the British? Tab Dec 2015 #5
Were the colonists not British subjects? guillaumeb Dec 2015 #12
Originally, but this is an amendment to the Constitution Tab Dec 2015 #21
Good thing we American's are not obedient Japanese! virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #2
Some might say a much more paranoid and frightened mindset. guillaumeb Dec 2015 #4
Just the ones that feel compelled to control everyone else. N/T beevul Dec 2015 #14
Don't want to control anyone'...drugs, sex habits, books, or food... bullets don't stop at my skin lostnfound Dec 2015 #22
Ignore reality at your own sufference. beevul Dec 2015 #24
You've "suggested education." thucythucy Dec 2015 #25
Yes. Gun safety taught in public schools. N/T beevul Dec 2015 #40
We also have a much more accurate definitions ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #6
With the stacks of kid's bloodied bodies to prove it! Mika Dec 2015 #9
And idiots with CC licenses! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #33
I understand it's very hard to buy a legal gun in Mexico also.. EX500rider Dec 2015 #8
You need to check your data Photographer Dec 2015 #13
Check your own data. beevul Dec 2015 #17
Not, I do not need to check my data. EX500rider Dec 2015 #18
Mexico is something of an anomaly because of the drug war VMA131Marine Dec 2015 #26
And Jamaica which is even worse? EX500rider Dec 2015 #38
OK, look at Brazil, Colombia, or Jamaica Recursion Dec 2015 #45
They'll get theirs when the zombie apocalypse comes. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #10
But what about replica fake guns? Huh? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #11
I enjoyed that series. Photographer Dec 2015 #16
What series is that? mwrguy Dec 2015 #19
The Man in the High Castle. It's free for Amazon Prime members, not too much if you're not a member Photographer Dec 2015 #20
A background check is required for all gun sales over the internet. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #15
Wow. So you can buy guns and have them shipped wherever you want? Photographer Dec 2015 #28
Yep, Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #43
But they have an amazingly high suicide rate nevertheless. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #29
Look at murder rates! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #34
Interestingly, the combined murder/suicide rate for Japan is higher that for the US. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #36
So you think murder and suicide are equal! WTF??? Logical Dec 2015 #37
No. I didn't say that. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #39
Japan has a very different cultural attitude about suicide ThoughtCriminal Dec 2015 #47
Yes, and about murder and gun owernship. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #48
and yet their suicide rate lancer78 Dec 2015 #30
Reading this made me think of places in America where guns are strongly controlled. rusty quoin Dec 2015 #31
+100 n /t Photographer Dec 2015 #32
I've done construction work on several military bases and they have huge safes rusty quoin Dec 2015 #35
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths yuiyoshida Dec 2015 #41
I saw an article a few years ago that had an American living in Japan davidpdx Dec 2015 #42
It's almost as hard to buy a car in Tokyo. hobbit709 Dec 2015 #44

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. THAT is why Godzilla attacked Japan.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:16 PM
Dec 2015

He KNEW that the Japanese were defenseless.

And that explains why Godzilla did not attack New York.

Thanks.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
27. That's funny, because earlier I watched some of the original movie.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:23 AM
Dec 2015

The Japanese citizen showed up with swords...no guns, which would had been equally useless.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Were the colonists not British subjects?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:19 PM
Dec 2015

That would make the British the legal government. And Washington a terrorist.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
21. Originally, but this is an amendment to the Constitution
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:44 PM
Dec 2015

we'd already chosen to secede, we were codifying the rights of the citizens, and the possibility of an invasion (or, more likely, that the government would turn back into an autocracy). The British were apparently a secondary concern, but it made for a pithier comment, I thought.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Some might say a much more paranoid and frightened mindset.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:14 PM
Dec 2015

And obviously willing to tolerate the mindless slaughter of tens of thousands of their fellow citizens each year as they worship a supposed "right" to own a gun.

lostnfound

(16,180 posts)
22. Don't want to control anyone'...drugs, sex habits, books, or food... bullets don't stop at my skin
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:44 PM
Dec 2015

Wrong to say it's about control. Some of us would rather not have innocent friends strangers or ourselves murdered.

No efforts in part of pro-gun crowd to suggest alternatives. The rest of us just need to learn to say "ho-hum" and be as uncaring as the other side. Who cares? Screw them, it wasn't me.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
24. Ignore reality at your own sufference.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:49 PM
Dec 2015
No efforts in part of pro-gun crowd to suggest alternatives.


Ignore reality at your own sufference. I've suggested education many many many times, and many of us have suggested alternatives numerous times.

But they're just not gun control centric enough for most of the control minded folks.

thucythucy

(8,067 posts)
25. You've "suggested education."
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:20 PM
Dec 2015

But what if a gun owner or purchaser refuses to be educated? "Take your gun safety class and shove it!" Then what? Do we take the gun away? Or deny a person the ability to purchase?

It sounds like in Japan education is required BEFORE you get the gun, and unless you're willing to be educated you can't have one. Would you support such a system here?

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
9. With the stacks of kid's bloodied bodies to prove it!
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:17 PM
Dec 2015

Independent mindset? More like the illusion of the rugged individualist.


EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
8. I understand it's very hard to buy a legal gun in Mexico also..
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:17 PM
Dec 2015

....they only have 1 government run gun store I believe.

And yet somehow have a murder rate about 10x's worse then the US.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
17. Check your own data.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:31 PM
Dec 2015

The metric in question, was MURDER rate not 'gun death rate'.

USA 3.55

Mexico 10.0

You may wish to have your own fact checker rechecked.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
18. Not, I do not need to check my data.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:32 PM
Dec 2015

I was looking at homicides.....if you want to include Japan's suicide rate feel free...lol

US homicide rate: 3.8 per 100,000
Mexico: 21.5 per 100,000 (I was thinking of Jamaica at 39.3 but also a gun restricted country so works just as well)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

US suicide rate: 12.1 per 100,000
Japan: 18.5 per 100,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
26. Mexico is something of an anomaly because of the drug war
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:35 PM
Dec 2015

between the government and the cartels. You would probably have to subtract out murders associated with those to be able to validly compare homicide rates to the US.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
45. OK, look at Brazil, Colombia, or Jamaica
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:19 AM
Dec 2015

Very restrictive gun laws in all of them. Much, much higher gun death rates than the US. Not to mention South Africa, though it has more lax gun laws.

 

Photographer

(1,142 posts)
20. The Man in the High Castle. It's free for Amazon Prime members, not too much if you're not a member
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:40 PM
Dec 2015

and one of the first good series Amazon has done. It's from a Philip K. Dick story of a what if the axis won variety.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
15. A background check is required for all gun sales over the internet.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:30 PM
Dec 2015

When I buy stuff off the internet, Amazon comes to mind, I give them my credit card information and the goods are shipped to my address (or to what address I provide). It is not legal for me to have a gun shipped to me without a background check. Prior to 1968 it was legal to buy a gun on mail order.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
43. Yep,
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:31 AM
Dec 2015

as long as it is legak for the FFL dealer to sell them to me at the point of sale .

I have not purchased a gun over the internet, but my older sibling has. He said " it's a PITA, So he refuses to purchasea gun over the WOW.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
29. But they have an amazingly high suicide rate nevertheless.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:29 AM
Dec 2015


Japan has a 18.5/100000 suicide rate versus 12.1 for the US.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
39. No. I didn't say that.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:16 AM
Dec 2015

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention to the anti-gun folks, but they blame our murder rate and suicide rate on access to firearms. That's why you hear the number 30,000+ associated with the phrase "gun deaths".

My point is that comparing very different cultures is problematic.
 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
30. and yet their suicide rate
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:33 AM
Dec 2015

Is sky high. Also, as an island nation, there is a natural barrier to help keep guns from entering the country through a black market.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
31. Reading this made me think of places in America where guns are strongly controlled.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:34 AM
Dec 2015

It's on military bases, where they may be carried throughout the day, but are locked up in the armory at night. No soldier has an assault rifle in his barracks' closet.

Am I missing anything here? The army feels that it's important to control arms, even with trained professionals.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
35. I've done construction work on several military bases and they have huge safes
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:43 AM
Dec 2015

Like you'd see in a bank, with more security to lock up all arms.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
41. A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:54 AM
Dec 2015


I’ve heard it said that, if you take a walk around Waikiki, it’s only a matter of time until someone hands you a flyer of scantily clad women clutching handguns, overlaid with English and maybe Japanese text advertising one of the many local shooting ranges. The city’s largest, the Royal Hawaiian Shooting Club, advertises instructors fluent in Japanese, which is also the default language of its website. For years, this peculiar Hawaiian industry has explicitly targeted Japanese tourists, drawing them away from beaches and resorts into shopping malls, to do things that are forbidden in their own country.

Waikiki’s Japanese-filled ranges are the sort of quirk you might find in any major tourist town, but they're also an intersection of two societies with wildly different approaches to guns and their role in society. Friday’s horrific shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater has been a reminder that America's gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the world’s 23 “rich” countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America’s ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's.

But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/a-land-without-guns-how-japan-has-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
42. I saw an article a few years ago that had an American living in Japan
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:30 AM
Dec 2015

who explained the process of what he had to do to get a gun. It was interesting to see the amount of information that was required. Maybe one of our DUers who live in Japan can jump in and comment (there are quite a few).

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