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The number of people in America vs. the number of guns in America, visualized. (Original Post) kpete Dec 2015 OP
A chicken in every pot exboyfil Dec 2015 #1
Darn DustyJoe Dec 2015 #2
You're a moron if you think this makes you feel safer. lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #3
99.9% of firearm owners in this country are law abiding citizens GGJohn Dec 2015 #5
This. bigwillq Dec 2015 #6
So, why do you need your guns? If it's so safe, you don't need them, do you? lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #8
I need my firearms to put food on our table, GGJohn Dec 2015 #10
If you're on a rural farm, then that's different than carrying around in the city lindysalsagal Dec 2015 #12
I never said I wasn't willing to do anything, GGJohn Dec 2015 #13
"But there has to be a line drawn somewhere." beevul Dec 2015 #17
I don't own guns for self defense. I live in a safe town. hack89 Dec 2015 #14
The gun homicide rate is half what it was in the early 1990's, per FBI numbers NickB79 Dec 2015 #18
And has nothing to do with more guns. Nt Logical Dec 2015 #21
It also shows more guns didn't cause the murder rate to spike either, as some would predict NickB79 Dec 2015 #22
A graph comparing gun owners with those who do not own guns is a bit different randr Dec 2015 #4
Most gun owners I know madokie Dec 2015 #7
All those guns and so few deaths... ileus Dec 2015 #9
Why do criminals have guns? Hepburn Dec 2015 #11
Yeah, just think! linuxman Dec 2015 #16
Actually I have a spear gun my my bed. Hepburn Dec 2015 #23
The Second Amendment colsohlibgal Dec 2015 #15
Oh please. beevul Dec 2015 #19
lots of cowards in the so-called "Home of the Brave" Skittles Dec 2015 #20

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
2. Darn
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:02 AM
Dec 2015

I need to email Santa my wish list, i'm behind that ownership curve and now I really want a new 12ga for January dove season.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
3. You're a moron if you think this makes you feel safer.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:05 AM
Dec 2015

And, no, I don't agree with the southern governor who just told his constituents to carry their guns around and be ready to shoot.

Holy crap. Add that to alcohol and sports losses and neighborly disputes, and general grumpiness, and the bullets will be flying all the time.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
5. 99.9% of firearm owners in this country are law abiding citizens
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

who are responsible with their firearms.

Despite all the hand wringing, the US is a very safe country to live in.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
8. So, why do you need your guns? If it's so safe, you don't need them, do you?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:15 AM
Dec 2015

Circular "thinking" while innocents die each week. You.Don't. Care.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
10. I need my firearms to put food on our table,
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:24 AM
Dec 2015

I need my firearms to protect our livestock from predators.
I need my firearms to enjoy target shooting at paper plates when I find the time to.

And quit with the "You.Don't. Care." shit, you know nothing about me or my cares.

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
12. If you're on a rural farm, then that's different than carrying around in the city
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:45 AM
Dec 2015

I have no need to take away your duck/deer/bear rifle.

But there has to be a line drawn somewhere.

If you're not willing to do anything, then, no, you don't care about innocent people.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. I never said I wasn't willing to do anything,
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:46 AM
Dec 2015

yet you immediately assumed that I didn't care, that leads to hostility.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
17. "But there has to be a line drawn somewhere."
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:27 PM
Dec 2015

There IS a line drawn somewhere, and there has been since 1934.

Pretending that there isn't, doesn't tend to help with the trust issue.

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
18. The gun homicide rate is half what it was in the early 1990's, per FBI numbers
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:32 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/?utm_expid=53098246-2.Lly4CFSVQG2lphsg-KopIg.0&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


snip

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
22. It also shows more guns didn't cause the murder rate to spike either, as some would predict
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 10:44 AM
Dec 2015

We added approximately 150 million guns to the US in that timeframe. Like you, I also don't think this is the reason for violent crime dropping so precipitously, but it also demonstrates there is no straight-line correlation between more guns = more crime either.

This article covers the top five reasons quite well, and increased gun ownership is not mentioned: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/

Besides which, I was merely responding to the previous poster's comment about living in fear by showing how such a fear is unwarranted, as we're a much safer society than 25 years ago.

randr

(12,412 posts)
4. A graph comparing gun owners with those who do not own guns is a bit different
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:07 AM
Dec 2015

and a more accurate picture of who we are as a people. We can not let the minority rule. About a third of American homes have a gun and a majority of these people support some form of control to weapons.
It is time for the majority of Americans to take back their country.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
7. Most gun owners I know
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:13 AM
Dec 2015

don't just have one gun rather they have several. If I was to venture a guess on the gunners I know I'd have to say at least a half dozen on average. That takes some of the scary out of that graphic.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
11. Why do criminals have guns?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:30 AM
Dec 2015

That visualization pretty much gives the answer:

If you were going to rob a store, burglarize a house, or commit just about any crime using force, the bad people can expect the good people to have guns SO THE BAD GUYS FUCKING ARM THEMSELVES.

Hello.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
16. Yeah, just think!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:00 PM
Dec 2015

If nobody had a gun, robbers would give theirs up too! Then we'd just have to ensure we can best people intent on harming us with good old fashioned knives and baseball bats! Hope Yall been practicing your swordplay.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
15. The Second Amendment
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:57 AM
Dec 2015

Gun nuts cherry pick that Amendment. They ignore words like "well regulated". Or the reference to militias.

Not to mention context, a concept they obviously can't or won't grasp.

We require you to jump through some hoops to get a driver's license for safety reasons. Why should firearms be different other than it should be even tougher; people with mental issues and/or a criminal background should not have free reign to stock up on military grade weapons.

At this point I view the NRA as a terrorist organization.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
19. Oh please.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:35 PM
Dec 2015
Gun nuts cherry pick that Amendment. They ignore words like "well regulated". Or the reference to militias.


Anti-gunners proceed on the false pretense that amendment 2 authorizes government exercise of power, or grants rights. Amendment 2 does no such thing on either count.

It restricts only government.

Not to mention context, a concept they obviously can't or won't grasp.


Heres your context. Be careful what you wish for:

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

http://billofrights.org/

We require you to jump through some hoops to get a driver's license for safety reasons.


When a drivers license is required to simply own a car or to drive on private property, that particular point will have some meaning.
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