Problem solved.

Seed, soil, water, sunlight, time. The end.

I bought 1/2 ounce in October 4 different strains just to try it, it was $80 and I have maybe smoked 1/4 of it. The 1/2 ounce was way more than what I needed. I found I just like smoking a little indica strain some nights before bed. I rarely smoke the sativa stuff maybe on a Saturday but I find I don't like watching sports while high for some reason, I just tune the games out.
Anyways $80 will probably last me through September and my alcohol use completely dropped, I now only drink at restuarants or when out with friends. Marijuana is saving me money and I get the best sleep I have ever had.

I guess one point of prohibition is to make it expensive.

But it's definitely not expensive here and with all the competition between shops the prices won't be going through the roof.

There's quite a lot of research on this, see this for instance: http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/25242813

See also this: http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/03/06/390143641/pot-can-trigger-psychotic-symptoms-for-some-but-do-the-effects-last

Cannabis is safer than alcohol, but it's not 100% benign, either.

The only time I've ever heard about them is from these bullshit studies.

involving thousands of subjects. (sarcasm)

Why are you a liar?

"Funny that I've never heard of anyone ever having one of these psychotic episodes" = personal experience

"The only time I've ever heard about them is from these bullshit studies." = studies are bullshit

Sounds like you trust your own personal experience more than studies.... true or false?

If that's not what you meant then I will apologize.

Only one problem, it never happens.

some people here sound JUST LIKE Republicans denying climate change when it comes to the link between cannabis and psychosis. "But this doesn't agree with what we want to believe, therefore it doesn't ever happen!"

when that's not the case.

...NIH's Volkow says that these studies don't prove that marijuana use causes the schizophrenia; they only show that people with schizophrenia are more likely to also be weed smokers.

Does Marijuana Use Increase the Risk of Psychosis (Including Schizophrenia)?

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000220

Drug seeking behavior may be symptom of the underlying issues.

I tend to think these studies are bogus. Anti-drug research has to be examined from a very critical perspective. Much of it is contaminated by Big Money politics; everyone from huge pharmaceutical firms, money laundering banks, drug warriors, and secretive government agencies, who don't want to be separated from their gravy trains. A plant that any good gardener or small farmer can grow disrupts their business models.

It's becoming increasingly apparent that Schizophrenia is the result of some kind of immune disorder.

People have noticed that Schizophrenic people tend to be heavy tobacco users. Does this mean cigarettes cause Schizophrenia? Probably not.

The research you referenced suffers from two obvious problems. One is selection bias. For obvious reasons this isn't a controlled study using a double-blind test with a subject and a control group, which leads to the other obvious problem. Without such a test the cause and effect relationships can very easily go either way. It may very well be true that people who are more prone to "psychotic episodes" are also more prone to self-medicate with cannabis.

http://anp.sagepub.com/content/34/1/26

If that's the standard everything should be illegal.

I'm a Coke addict (no, not the white stuff. The other Coke). If they started regulating caffeine I'd be shit out of luck.

He was driving (I didn't say he had good sense) and saw the freeway loop up into the sky in a wonderful flower-filled road. That's when he decided he should pull off the actual freeway and wait for his head to clear (which showed some residual good sense).

That was back in the 1960s. It is very possible the pot he bought was contaminated with something else -- but I can't really say. IMO that's always a problem with illegal drugs -- unless you are growing your own, you don't know for sure if it's pure. Regardless, he should not have been driving, any more than he should have been drinking when he got pulled over for a DUI in more recent years.

BTW, I voted to legalize medical pot in California last time it came up on the ballot. As far as recreational use, again imo, I think it should be treated like alcohol under the law. One state at a time, the people are speaking out about how stupid the federal government has been in its pursuit of the "war" on drugs.

especially in people who may have latent schizophrenia or other undiagnosed issues, from use of cannabis with a high proportion of THC to CBD. It's not "contamination", it's just a risk of the substance itself (most particularly C. sativa).

Typically for ADHD, though, he started self-medicating early. He was smoking tobacco by age 12 and drinking in high school. When he graduated from high school at 17 he moved out of home, got a job as a dishwasher, and had a goal of getting drunk every single day for that summer of 1966. Oddly enough he moved back home broke and jobless by the end of the summer.

Since tobacco is known to have a calming effect on the brains of those with ADHD (or it was the last time I read about it), that seems to be why the Joe Camel ad campaign was targeted at barely adolescent boys with such success. Worked for my daughter, who was just the right age and disposition for that ad campaign. My brother just had to start up the usual way.

Of all the people in my family who ever tried cigarettes, those two remain the most thoroughly hooked.

Lest anyone here think I'm just an old meanie for my comments about driving other people crazy, you didn't have to live with him. Now that we know what it is my sister and I can pretty confidently say ADD and ADHD run in the family. (I'm moderately ADD myself, but developed coping techniques that served me pretty well, despite my mother believing I was being a space cadet just to spite her. Sis, otoh, became a highly focused engineer.)

When I say that pot should be regulated like alcohol, I do know the hazards of alcohol. The same brother -- well, that runs in the family as well. And Prohibition of alcohol was a resounding failure, despite best intentions. Better to just acknowledge that most people like a quiet drink now and then, or a convivial couple of drinks with friends, and that a minority should never touch the stuff. Try to keep it out of the hands of kids under 21, heavily fine or jail the DUIs, and leave the rest of society alone to occasionally legally alter reality a bit.

Never had an "episode". Nor have any of my friends.

considering your user name.

I have no problem with drugs being legalised. I have used and enjoyed many drugs myself. However I think that it's frankly stupid or ignorant to claim that cannabis is completely 100% harmless (it isn't, and there's evidence to back that up). Is it safer than alcohol or tobacco? Probably. Is it 100% safe? Nope. Sorry for being a realist.

"Some experts believe that [cannabis] might induce schizophrenia in someone who wasn't vulnerable, but in my opinion that hasn't really been proven."

When you say "increased risk of psychotic episodes", what does that mean? Cannabis is a mind-altering drug, so yes, temporary psychosis while high may occur. However, there is absolutely no evidence that cannabis induces permanent psychosis. The "quite a lot of research" you boast about is 9 studies, with 8 of them showing a weak correlation, but no proof. The article even says it's possible that a schizophrenic starts using cannabis because they don't feel right, so they self medicate. It's a chicken vs egg scenario.

This is soft science; there's no quantitative evidence so it's incorrect to draw the conclusion that cannabis increases the risk of psychosis.

Pot either relieves them, or makes them more fun.

They're psychotic with or without the cannabis!

Really there is, you can look up side effects of certain strains, some of them cause more paranoia than others. This is why legalizing it is so great, you know exactly what you are getting along with what to expect unlike when you buy from a guy selling out of a van.

Orange finger syndrome.

But one reason I probably wouldn't is because any job I applied for would require a drug test. Even though I would be trying it somewhere where it is legal (Oregon or Washington), I live in a country where it isn't legal.

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I'll go with the science. Agreed there is evidence to support medical use of marijuana but it is not a safe drug by any means.

I suggest we start with handguns and semi-autos. Do you agree?

I did not mean to imply that only totally safe drugs should be approved or used. I used to smoke pot regularly about 40 yrs ago..I still do occasionally but I understand the risks. There is no way I would smoke it every day or even every week. I'm also aware that the THC content is several magnitudes higher today than when I was a regular pot smoker...what used to take a joint or 2 to get really stoned only takes 1 or 2 tokes now.

There's a statement in the article posted below that carries a lot of truth IMO...

Show me a drug and I will show you a risk.

That's why you have to be knowledgeable and understand all the effects...good or bad.

Do you support the ban of handguns and semi-auto rifles?

If not, why? They are dangerous weapons that cause vast harm when there are less dangerous alternatives for legal use (e.g., bolt action rifles, shotguns).

What does gun control have to do with being educated about the effects of drugs?

years.

I use it for peripheral neuropathy, pain relief, and chemo side effect relief.

It is helping so many people and it is far safer than anything else in my medicine cabinet.

Don't believe the reefer madness.

My doctor just agreed to my request for a release of medical records to one of the pot clinics here in the Bay Area so that I can get a medical card and, hopefully, some release from the pain of diabetic neuropathy in my feet.

She suggested I look into topical creams. She doesn't approve of smoking it because of potential negative health impacts (lung health primarily).

I smoke but I will be getting a tincture next refill.

It's amazing. I hope you find relief as well.

I'm really hoping this helps.

It starts helping in 5-10 minutes.

chemical induced, from head to toe. When it wakes me up at 2:00 in the morning with a restless body syndrome that will drive you nuts. I take two puffs and it goes away and I can go back to sleep. And I honestly believe cannabis keeps my lungs healthy. As much silica, overspray and industrial dust that I have inhaled as an industrial sandblaster and coatings applicator, my lungs are in great shape and I am impressed. I smoke all day. I like my cookies too. I have been smoking for 46 years and I am not worried about health effects from cannabis. But 30 years ago something told me cigarettes were deadly and I quit. Picked up the habit in the Army.

It can actually be toxic in grossly excessive amounts, and can kill.

There's more ways to kill with water than by drowning.

which is also found in nature.

It's a gift from nature that has medicinal and . . . er, ah . . . recreational benefits.

And like most things, you shouldn't over do its use or you'll get the ah, ah, ah . . . the munchies. Horrible, I know.

It also makes you non-aggressive, which is I guess why some are against it.

Can't have our "youts" out there being peaceful and all and not wanting to fire weapons and help the NRA, or the MIC by joining the military.

that it's about as 'safe' as anything can be.

I keep looking in my grow tent every morning to see if any pills have sprouted, but so far, just leaves. Maybe when I switch to 12/12 lighting, tiny pills will start showing up.

I used to grow in a small cabinet while in college. I really miss coming home & looking at my plants. So rewarding to partake of your own top-shelf. Saves tons of money as well.

The prices just keep dropping. I also just finished reading a DIY LED article, and the process looks pretty straightforward. The guy who wrote it built a 1000w customized LED panel for $250. Not bad.

I stopped growing when LEDs were just becoming popular.

I still have my HPS lamp & ballast, but LEDs may be the way to go. I am itching to get back into my hobby and may look into LEDs.

If you are just starting I am jealous. The first buds sprouting & first harvest are very special. Sometimes, I would sit there and look at my plants for an hours...nature is awesome!!!

Enjoy

for about 12 years now. I have learned a lot and I love growing them. It kind of becomes a hobby, with lots of rewards. It's pretty much free. Mother nature has the lights with perfect timing. I just water and feed lightly. It's all organic, no pesticides. Inside is harder because of the bugs. The house reeks so good at harvest time. And it's all legal for my own consumption. Montana.

I'm afraid of thieves and paranoid neighbors, even though I have a script and can legally grow up to 6 plants.

I would agree that outdoors is superior to indoors, the sun is the best light around. I may decide to grow a few outside, but indoor growing is also cool, because it's like a science experiment. I used to stare at my plants like I was watching fish in an aquarium.

I bet you get some huge plants outdoors. My buddy grew a 8ft Afghani back in the 80's. The next year he tied them down along a backyard fence. As they grew up towards the sun, he would tie a length down along the top of the fence.. He had about 20 feet of fence with buds growing along the top. It looked real cool.

for everyone to grow then no reason to steal. Oh Yea, I grow some monster plants. 12 footers are easy. I'm going to try and start a state program where a person can donate surplus to disabled Veterans that can't grow.

I take it you're in a situation that doesn't permit you to grow right now?

I've finally decided I no longer care. I live in Northern California, so it's not going to be a (state) legal issue. I rent, but I'm always on time/every time, and I don't think the house owner cares much, so long as he gets his rent and no neighbor complains. My youngest is now a sophomore in high school (and our two older sons smoke weed anyway). I no longer work at the local bank, so I don't really care who in the community finds out. All of these things were swirling around in my head, and I finally said screw it, let's grow. So I've been doing my research, and I finally ordered the requisite equipment and got the plants. I'll send you a PM in about 3-4 months, unless I'm too ashamed of the result when that time comes.

And yeah, I think it's a beautiful plant.

When I was doing the cabby grow, I was in college & didn't have a script. The website where I learned my skills (Overgrow.com) was busted by the Feds, so I decided to stop for my own safety.

A couple of years later I got my script, but I never took up growing again. I have thought about starting back up, because I can legally grow up to 6 plants. I still have my cabinet, light, and fan so it's just a matter of setting things up.
Don't get discouraged if your first harvest isn't what you dreamed, but it may just blow your mind and be great. My first was not a big yield, but the buds were awesome & of fantastic quality.

First time growers tend to over-water...so look out for that.

You are correct! Enjoy the bouquet!

Because it's fairly obvious that this was presented as a quip and not as evidence in lieu of hard science. It's not an argument it's a wise crack.

peanuts aren't totally safe for everyone so I believe we should outlaw peanuts! And cars! And aspirin. and on and on...

And although I've never read anything about cashew allergies, this sounds like something that would be really bad. So yes, we should recriminalize marijuana and outlaw peanuts.

when its not on ?

At least for me sometimes, I think.

If legalized.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

Who said that recently?

Pot isn't going to make you jump off a building.

Pot isn't going to make you drive your car into a tree at 110 mph.

Pot isn't going to make you challenge four guys to a fight so you get the shit kicked out of you.

As a guy that pissed away too many years as a "wake & bake" smoker, pot will make you content to sit on your ass in a stony haze as life and opportunity pass you by.

I find pot a great motivator to clean the house. Especially to some good and loud music.

I have smoked for 50 years. My health is great.

My only real fear is getting busted.

hard at stupid shit that otherwise would not be and you pull a stomach muscle?

marijuana and it is still a class 1 controlled substance. Wonder what to make of that?

I can tell that marijuana is really good for you. I started at 7 years old so that's 45 years of continuous, heavy use.

Recent medical evaluation for my CDL proves it. Lungs are big, healthy and good. No diabetes or precondition for it. Liver good. Blood work excellent. In the best shape ever.

I also smoke 3 cigars a day and drink about a pint of Myers rum per day. But, I also work 65-70 hrs a week. The main thing is to keep moving. Mind over matter. Ya know a person can talk themselves into a heart attack or cancer or even...a psychotic episode.

Now that I'm outliving and burying my friends and doctors who were totally against pot it's not difficult for me to dismiss anti weed studies. And by "burying," old friends I really mean it. I make the concrete burial vaults, cut the headstones with a sand blaster and install them.

and spent 4 days in the ICU...no other causal factors as I'm a light drinker and my arteries are in very good shape.
Vertebral Artery Occlusion