Thanks for offering to help us defeat them!

invades, they'll be shit out of luck! Assuming Mexico would even want Texas.

We want Austin.

already natural born Americans.

I want to put an exact number on the traitors.

and any other federal institution currently supporting Texas as well as a refund of the stimulus funds we sent your way. Oh and take care of all the highways in you state by yourself. And forget any Federal grants for your universities and colleges. Oh and that pesky border between Texas and Mexico...hey it's your responsibility now.

"Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010"

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/11050/rick-perry-makes-texas-1-in-mooching-federal-stimulus-funds

But first I need to get my family out and back up North where we were born and raised.

But before they do, every single piece of military equipment and personel are removed from the state. Any piece of equipment belonging to a federal agency and every federal employee is removed from the state.

They voted 80 % to leave and then the US Army stomped them back in.

What was the legendary price paid for Manhattan? $26?


That should be plenty.

A former Texan coworker explained that since Texas was a sovereign country prior to joining, they negotiated the right to secede if they wanted too.

when Mexico abolished slavery.. Texas is the only state that seceded from two different countries over the abolition of slavery. Texas was a failed republic and joined the union deeply in debt, bailed out by the good people of the USA.
http://mlktaskforcemi.org/pathways/conflicts-over-slavery-cause-the-texas-revolution-and-lead-to-the-mexican-american-war/

Like everywhere in America, there are wonderful Texans, but the loudmouth, blowhard, racist and ridiculous fools that speak for Texas, I'm talking Louie Gohmert, Ted Cruz, and scores of others who make us cringe and want to detest all Texans and Texas.

Here's who I prefer to associate with Texas; Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Ann Richards, LBJ, Willie Nelson, etc., etc., and all the good Texans who grace this board with their wit and wisdom.

and then the US army stomped them into submission.

Their re-admittance into the union probably went a bit differently.

According to the video above.

Fuck 'em.

Not just because I think Texas really should be its own sovereign nation, but because it would pave the way: I'm a Cascadian secessionist. Liberal refugees from Texas welcome here!

Also perplexing, just how do they think they will function without federal assistance?

mean cruz would no longer be eligible for the Presidency?

of Texas. Doubt the other two are interested.

liberals here in OK are going to have a choice - West or East. It will be the 2nd greatest exit from OK since the dust bowl.

Cognitive Dissonance is setting in to this Citizen's brain.

shouldn't there be some Constitutional way for a state to secede?

How can it be that once you join an organization, you can never unjoin, no matter how much the organization has changed from the one you joined. The only example I can think of is the mafia.

One: Get a constitutional amendment passed that allows secession. Very unlikely given the high hurdles involved.

Two: Sue the Federal Government to allow it to secede. It would go to the Supreme Court. Even a right wing court would have trouble permitting it. But with nut jobs like Thomas and Scalia, who knows?

makes me concerned because there would some ugly consequences beyond economics!

I do not even want to imagine what would happen to any migrants or undocumented workers, any Muslims, any atheists, any uppity women, any outspoken liberal activists still in Texas who had not fled by the time this nightmare bill passed their legislation and Gov Abbott signed it.

I know the secession will NEVER happen.

But the idea of secession represents dim, simplistic reasoning by some very short-sighted people and we should encourage the idea of thinking this decision through for the average Texan. If we begin to list out the devastating consequences of this action - consequences to the nation and to the people of Texas and to those in and around the borders of Texas and Mexico -- it becomes clear that this would be a monumentally idiotic, catastrophic undertaking.

There would be staggering economic and societal upheaval and losses.

The US would reclaim all its resources and stop funding for federal programs - (military equipment, personnel, bases, coast guard, highway funding and upkeep, rail trains, govt internet routers, postal equipment, federal prisons, NASA, FBI, CIA, and more pressing - Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, federal student loan programs, satellite transmissions, etc.) the list goes on for days

No matter what conversion steps they took in advance, I think their economy would simply collapse on Day One.

Every American and international corporation headquartered there would flee at the speed of light to avoid currency devaluation and plummeting stocks (Ball Aerospace, large US and international banks, American and Southwest Airlines, restaurants, telecommunications, cable, trucking companies, etc)

Most Americans with resources would flee to an established nation where they have citizenship and rights (doctors, surgeons, lawyers, professionals, educators) causing an immediately skills-drain

The start up costs for Texas to establish and protect itself as an independent nation would exceed several TRILLION dollars and take several years (establishing and minting currency, establishing a stock exchange, funding a military, defending their borders, setting up state departments, negotiating treaties, establishing postal service) again the list goes on for days.

I wonder how money would flow? What family member or tourist would want to cross the border to get there and possibly get stuck?

The challenges become almost incomprehensible to list, much less to overcome.

When was the last time anyone gave the republicans something they asked for, and they were satisfied with it?
Once they have Texas, they'll be waging war on other states to take them over. And their citizens will become desperate, feral marauders. Just like their existing republican politicians are today.

The measure would be called "Does it STILL Freak Out Your Ignorant, Bigoted Ass That the President Is Black?" measure.

Vote Yes or No. Feel free to use your own crayon.

I agree with folks above... I want this on record.

they can withhold payment for the % they've paid off in taxes, but i'm not willing to just let them have NASA's LBJ Space Center

So says Federal Law and Birthers.

That is what I always thought. But why is nobody saying anything about that? It's not like his Mom was there on vacation, or born on a military base like McCain

the FUCKING republicans should be able to decide the fate of your fellow Americans?

Really?


Is your hatred of the "south" or "red" states so fucking absolute that you truly think that if 50.1 percent of the voters of a state want to leave that all the GOOD people should be dragged with them?

My vote for stupid thread of the day.

Please, as a southerner, I don't see what you see here.

This isn't about North vs. South.

This is about the fact that TEXAS chooses to secede.

The Democrats in Texas should be making plans to get the hell out of that hellhole RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

* All military assets.
* All other government equipment and assets.
* All federal employees.
* All U.S. Currency.

Things you can enjoy when you're an independent nation:
* Coming up with your own currency and valuation.
* Coming up with your own military and paying for it with above currency.
* Paying the United States of America fair market value of USA owned property can can't be carted out when you leave the U.S. (actual buildings, in-ground infrastructure such as cabling and any power plants, etc.)
* Coming up with a taxation system to pay for items above, as well as all infrastructure needs.

And, just because I like you, Texas, here's a bonus item for you to enjoy, free of charge:
* Filling in the economic void the U. S. Federal Government provides in both funds and employment.

The Texas GOP could really give a fuck about secession. What they are really doing is throwing red meat to the mouth breathers in Texas so they show up at the polls.

The real message that should be promoted is how the GOP is playing their useful idiots like a tune.