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mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:31 PM Dec 2015

Where did the shooters' cameras go?

Police said on TV that the San Bernardino shooters were wearing GoPro cameras when they were killed.

The LA Times reports that empty GoPro packaging was taken from their homes.

Now officials say that there were no cameras.

I smell a rat.

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Where did the shooters' cameras go? (Original Post) mwrguy Dec 2015 OP
May be in pieces from all the bullets. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #1
I wouldn't be surprised if the terrorists destroyed the cameras along with their cell phones. ny branford Dec 2015 #2
Cops said they were wearing them when killed mwrguy Dec 2015 #3
There were a LOT of bullets fired taking down the terrorists. branford Dec 2015 #5
They record to an micro SD card Heeeeers Johnny Dec 2015 #18
Yep. In these instances when billion$ in government security contracts hinge on justification, and GoneFishin Dec 2015 #8
Its a valid question I also had GummyBearz Dec 2015 #4
I found it odd that officials would allow the press to rumage through the couple's GoneFishin Dec 2015 #6
The police released the apartment to the apartment owner... Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #7
Same end result. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #9
Once the police released the apartment, they had no control over it. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #10
yes. They released the apartment. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #11
First time for everything. Rex Dec 2015 #13
So what the hell is going on here then? Rex Dec 2015 #12
No, there was no government action. branford Dec 2015 #14
Yeah the attorny will probably have a civil lawsuit issued. Rex Dec 2015 #15
Unless any particular reporter damaged a specific article of property, branford Dec 2015 #17
Maybe conspiracy nuts aren't so crazy afterall Reter Dec 2015 #16
I am not a conspiracy theroist at all. I do not believe in the razorman Dec 2015 #19
 

branford

(4,462 posts)
5. There were a LOT of bullets fired taking down the terrorists.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:43 PM
Dec 2015

GoPro cameras are neat, but I do not believe they are bullet-proof.

Also, a lot of impressions and statements made during the heat of and immediately after an encounter simply turn-out to be wrong. For instance, recall it was first thought that there were three shooters.

I don't attach much importance to the GoPro claims. If they exist and functional, they're a great piece of evidence, and in time we'll learn more. If they don't exist or were destroyed, it's also unsurprising.

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
18. They record to an micro SD card
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:01 AM
Dec 2015

Think of an object roughly the size your fingernail, and a bullet just happened to hit not one,
but two of them during the exchange of gunfire?

Even if they relied on internal data storage, what are the odds of both cameras being destroyed to the point
that any information is unrecoverable?

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
8. Yep. In these instances when billion$ in government security contracts hinge on justification, and
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:33 AM - Edit history (1)

scaring the shit out of the public that there is a boogie man under every bed, the stories are always spiced up to advance an agenda.

And they share a one common trait, the friggin' cameras always disappear, malfunction, or are confiscated and never returned.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
4. Its a valid question I also had
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:40 PM
Dec 2015

If the GoPros were destroyed by gun fire, why not just say so?

As far as smelling a rat, I'm not quite sure why there would be some kind of conspiracy theory here. A very valid explanation for not talking about the cameras is they may contain sensitive information (ie. a recording of someone who was helping them), that the investigators don't want to be made public. That would be a perfectly sound reason to keep it quiet while they discretely try to locate such an individual.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
6. I found it odd that officials would allow the press to rumage through the couple's
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:02 PM
Dec 2015

apartment en masse so soon after the attack.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
10. Once the police released the apartment, they had no control over it.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:24 PM
Dec 2015

The apartment owner, who sold entry and the news organizations are the ones at fault.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. So what the hell is going on here then?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:20 PM
Dec 2015

Also wouldn't the 4th amendment still apply since technically the parents material goods are handed down to their orphaned infant or wouldn't they have to have the families attorney authorize camera crews access to the place?

Some strange occurrences for sure.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
14. No, there was no government action.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:44 PM
Dec 2015

The original search and processing of the crime scene was accomplished under a legal warrant. The authorities then released the premises to the landlord, and the 4A was no longer implicated.

The landlord permitted the press enter the apartment. If this was a violation of the lease or relevant law, the family can sue the landlord in civil court. Given the value of the personal property, cost of litigation, risk of further public scrutiny and condemnation of the family, and an unsympathetic local jury pool, I don't foresee any legal action (unless the landlord violated a court order or similar unknown facts are discovered or released).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Yeah the attorny will probably have a civil lawsuit issued.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:46 PM
Dec 2015

Against the M$M I guess, I doubt the landlord has their kind of cash.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
17. Unless any particular reporter damaged a specific article of property,
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:05 AM
Dec 2015

I doubt they would have any liability. In fact, I doubt the case would be worth much at all, assuming a local judge or jury was at all sympathetic to the family of terrorists. As I indicated earlier, I also doubt the family wants to undergo even more public scrutiny, no less have to publicly testify in open court (or worse, claim 5A protection), and drag out this spectacle for months or even years after it may otherwise leave the news cycle.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
16. Maybe conspiracy nuts aren't so crazy afterall
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:55 PM
Dec 2015

What happened to the story of three shooters? Why isn't there any video? Something is not right.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
19. I am not a conspiracy theroist at all. I do not believe in the
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

"black helicopters", for instance. But, I definitely smell a rat here.

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