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(11,093 posts)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 10:35 PM Dec 2015

ISIS is only half the problem

and it needs to get fixed, but I'm worried we will not address the gun violence issue. Remember, Sandy Hook was kind of (apparently not enough, though) of a tipping point for most people sick beyond death (poor phrasing) about gun violence, which was by a white kid, which followed our outrage about Columbine (again, white kids), which was a tipping point in its own self - triggering (again, poor phrasing) a discussion on gun violence, on top of years of individual gun violence in cities (such-and-such city is the murder capital of the country).

If you have lots of guns, but everyone's a responsible owner, there's no problem. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

Likewise, if you are a terrorist, but are trying to create an event in a country where it's damn near impossible to get a gun, terrorism is hugely reduced just because it's difficult.

However, if you want to create an event in a country where people get Bushmasters for Christmas, it's just all too easy. You don't have to smuggle guns across the border. Getting one is far easier than getting a driver's license. At least you get trained and tested for driver's licenses because you have to coexist on the road with your fellow citizens. And that's for using a piece of equipment which can cause death but has a very different primary purpose. The primary purpose for a gun - particularly high-capacity semi's - is to kill, and we not only don't put safety barriers in the way, we actively try to remove them.

So, yeah, if we can get rid of ISIS we should, but the underlying problem will still exist. Kids like Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), with no religious "red flags" or anything, that want to make a statement by killing people can do so so easily.

Availability of weaponry determines how much damage you can do. Individuals aren't allowed to own nuclear bombs. If all I have is a knife, or a limited capacity gun, there's only so much I can do. If I want to make a bomb, I'd have to figure out how, and also get materials. But if I can just waltz into show or a shop and come out with high-capacity things like what's being used nowadays, that just makes it soooo much easier for me to create havoc. Why are we making it easy? Yes, ISIS is part of the problem, but we've got a fundamental problem that goes beyond ISIS.

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ISIS is only half the problem (Original Post) Tab Dec 2015 OP
Only one quible with what you said nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #1
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. Only one quible with what you said
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 10:44 PM
Dec 2015

the availably of high powered semi automatics is not that recent What is recent is the scary looks. I am getting tired of this talking point, but the Armalite line of rifles was not the first, they are proceeded by at least 50 years of in the market and military rifles. The semis were not even developed for the military to begin with. No self serving bureaucrat wanted them... since they could waste too much ammo

Clarification, the first wide spread semi rifle in use by the infantry was the M1 Garand during WW II

So asking why we had mass shootings (like the Texas Bell Massacre, the shooter used a .208 bolt action that he also bought legally), were so rare back then, and so common these days is a necessary question.

I suspect part of the answer is one that Americans in general will not like, But there is something in the culture that has changed and breaks people down more often. There is far more alienation as well.

Yeah, it is also somewhat more permissive laws, but that is not the explanation either.

Bullying is part of the answer (Columbine, for example), but again not the only answer.

For the record, actual murders and crime rates are way down, so that anxiety of getting mugged is partly fantasy. So is actual individual gun ownership. Just that more guns are now in the hands of less people.

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