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yuiyoshida

(41,867 posts)
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 01:29 PM Dec 2015

Texans sit in silence as Muslim women face racism at Austin cafe

Texans sit in silence as Muslim women face racism at Austin cafe: ‘Have the humanity to acknowledge it’


Two Austin women said over the weekend that they had experienced anti-Muslim hate speech at a local cafe, and that other customers sat in silence as they were “humiliated.”


KTBC reported that the two Muslim women, Leilah Abdennabi and Sirat Al-Nahi, said that they had hoped to enjoy Sunday lunch at Austin’s popular Kerbey Lane Cafe.

“My friend and I just experienced Islamophobia in Austin,” Abdennabi wrote in a Sunday Facebook posting. “This is the first time this has happened to me in Austin.

Leilah, a Chicago-born Palestinian-American, explained that she found her friend “crying and upset” inside the restaurant.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/texans-sit-in-silence-as-muslim-women-face-racism-at-austin-cafe-have-the-humanity-to-acknowledge-it/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Texans sit in silence as Muslim women face racism at Austin cafe (Original Post) yuiyoshida Dec 2015 OP
The cafe posted an apology on both their facebook page and website. grossproffit Dec 2015 #1
That was a great response sharp_stick Dec 2015 #4
And probably written by his lawyer and dumbcat Dec 2015 #43
I thought I was a cynic sharp_stick Dec 2015 #51
No way Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #58
Way dumbcat Dec 2015 #60
I would eat there every day after reading the owners statement, makes me proud. winstars Dec 2015 #5
Let 'em 2naSalit Dec 2015 #18
It's a great place to eat AwakeAtLast Dec 2015 #87
Wow. That was a perfect response. Photographer Dec 2015 #15
I have to admit, I teared up a little when I got to the part where the CEO took responsibility. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #17
A few more CEO like this one and I might conclude that capitalism is KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #25
Now that is an apologyˇ Sissyk Dec 2015 #29
This is a heartfelt apology. Maybe I'm naive, but seems sincere. mountain grammy Dec 2015 #79
No one should ever be treated this way. grossproffit Dec 2015 #2
NOT an indication of how MOST Texans act. Shameful. nt clarice Dec 2015 #3
#notalltexans ? saturnsring Dec 2015 #6
MOST Texans. nt clarice Dec 2015 #7
Probably not gratuitous Dec 2015 #8
As I said...this does NOT reflect the manners of most Texans. nt clarice Dec 2015 #10
Then perhaps most Texans should get over their case of lockjaw? gratuitous Dec 2015 #13
Of course they could....curious..have you ever been to Texas ? nt clarice Dec 2015 #14
I live in Texas. Have for 30+ years. I'm not sure I 100% agree with you. There are some... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #21
They could, but they didn't gratuitous Dec 2015 #37
Once more....these rwo do not represent the feelings of Most Texans.... clarice Dec 2015 #42
You don't have any evidence to support your assertion gratuitous Dec 2015 #59
And I always thought that stereotyping was against our progressive ways. live and learn. nt clarice Dec 2015 #61
It's not a stereotype if it's based on a fact gratuitous Dec 2015 #63
But to say that that is the view of most Texans is very defiantly stereo typing....follow? nt clarice Dec 2015 #65
oooops meant definitely. nt clarice Dec 2015 #67
Then someone should have spoken up gratuitous Dec 2015 #77
How many people were paying attention TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #66
Most Texans were in that diner? Captain Stern Dec 2015 #82
Thank you, for being reasonable. narnian60 Dec 2015 #88
Austin IS a hotbed of racism and bigotry gratuitous Dec 2015 #94
Particularly at Kerbey Lane, Austin catrose Dec 2015 #24
Which is why it's puzzling that people were cowed by that asshole - or worse - harboring... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #26
I know!!!! narnian60 Dec 2015 #89
I don't know rockfordfile Dec 2015 #81
Texas has a huge German population and we all know what happened during WWII 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #9
Is this some sort of satire? n/t demmiblue Dec 2015 #20
I have eaten at that location many times Jane Austin Dec 2015 #34
And they have a big Hispanic population too, kiva Dec 2015 #62
What????!!!!! check your self....Jane made an observation based on...... clarice Dec 2015 #69
I wasn't reponding to Jane, kiva Dec 2015 #75
My sincere apologizes. nt clarice Dec 2015 #92
Not a problem. kiva Dec 2015 #93
Is that stereotyping, bigotry, satire, or what? dumbcat Dec 2015 #80
Things seem to have gotten worse there n2doc Dec 2015 #11
We do...and it is not. nt clarice Dec 2015 #16
This is a challenge for all of you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #12
True. 2naSalit Dec 2015 #22
Locally we alrady had an incident nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #28
That might be a terrible idea, you're better off calling the police 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #31
Yes, call the copsq nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #32
I like to think I'd do just that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #33
I wish I was in Austin and there at the time. Rex Dec 2015 #44
My point is that his not not just Texas nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #45
True but we have it very bad here nadin. I would hate to be a Muslim living in Texas right now. Rex Dec 2015 #46
Yes and good people will have to make these decisions for themselves nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #47
True it takes courage to stand up to assholes. Rex Dec 2015 #48
Hey, BLM uses it regularly nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #49
Just in Texas ??? .nt clarice Dec 2015 #68
I've seen and heard this shit in the past, and I DO say something! Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #70
Good, and I will add, once agin nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #71
Islamophobia is going to be one of our greatest challenges as a nation in the next decades mwrguy Dec 2015 #19
Yes...along with IEDs.nt clarice Dec 2015 #27
... What the hell is that supposed to mean? tkmorris Dec 2015 #36
That IEDs will be one of the great challenges that we may have to face in the next decades. nt clarice Dec 2015 #41
Who do you imagine will be planting all these IEDs? nt tkmorris Dec 2015 #50
Carnies....small hands....smell like cabbage. nt clarice Dec 2015 #52
Are you OK? AwakeAtLast Dec 2015 #83
A-OK....you ? nt clarice Dec 2015 #91
I doubt teabillies and neckbeards have the mental depth of discipline to learn how to make IEDs LanternWaste Dec 2015 #53
Then you're under estimating them. tazkcmo Dec 2015 #86
My family and I experienced something similar once in Switzerland DFW Dec 2015 #23
The two leading candidates for the WH in the GOP condone the behaviour of the assholes randys1 Dec 2015 #30
I'm guessing incidents like this will spike over the coming months... LanternWaste Dec 2015 #35
It's Texas. The other patrons probably figured they'd be shot if they defended the women. Vinca Dec 2015 #38
Shame on you. nt clarice Dec 2015 #56
Bullshit. I will & have confronted punks. And I have guns, which is irrelevant. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #72
So I guess the other patrons were garden variety Islamophobes. Vinca Dec 2015 #74
No, they were too timid or scared. The RW knows and exploits this. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #76
It's not just Texas. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #78
More bigotry... MellowDem Dec 2015 #39
No. Not really. These two young women did nothing at all to anyone at all LanternWaste Dec 2015 #55
Right on target. Thanks. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #73
One used the term "Islamophobia"... MellowDem Dec 2015 #90
Pathetic. Just pathetic. Sometimes I hate my state with a passion. Rex Dec 2015 #40
i could see this happening in my town dembotoz Dec 2015 #54
Race malcolmboeing Dec 2015 #57
I'm a atheist rockfordfile Dec 2015 #84
not agreeing with all aspects of a religion is one thing Skittles Dec 2015 #95
Well, I'm glad it hadn't happened before TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #64
Muslim hate always hits the women worst. Because they are easiest to spot, wearing nijabs Quantess Dec 2015 #85

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
1. The cafe posted an apology on both their facebook page and website.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 01:45 PM
Dec 2015

[url]http://www.kerbeylanecafe.com/an-apology-from-our-ceo/[/url]

[quote]On Sunday, December 6, two young female guests of Kerbey Lane Cafe on Guadalupe were insulted by another guest who told them that they should “go back to Saudi Arabia” among other rude and inappropriate comments. In an attempt to defuse the situation, the store leader seated the man who’d made the comments in another part of the restaurant.

One of the women who had been insulted announced to the dining room that she and her friend had been the targets of racist comments, and that nothing had been done in response because, “who cares about us?” In response, one diner shouted, “Nobody.” (Read this Austin Chronicle article for a full account of the incident).

The following is a statement by Kerbey Lane Cafe’s Chief Executive Officer, Mason Ayer:

I was deeply saddened when I learned of the upsetting events that occurred at our Guadalupe location on Sunday morning. There should be no place for racist, ignorant behavior in our society, and it’s incredibly upsetting that an incident like this occurred at all. When I learned of what happened, I called Ms. Abdennabi and expressed to her how very sorry I was that she and Ms. Al-Nahi were subjected to this abuse by another patron at Kerbey Lane Cafe. No human being deserves to be treated the way Ms. Abdennabi and Ms. Al-Nahi were treated by this person, who demonstrated that he has a small, bigoted view of the world.

I also regret how the situation was handled. It could and should have been handled better on our part. I’ve discussed the incident with the store leader who was on duty this morning, and she is also very upset and realizes that she should have handled the situation differently by asking the hateful guest to leave – or contacting the police if she felt it necessary – rather than attempting to defuse the situation by separating the parties in different sections of the restaurant.

I’m sorry the situation was not handled this way and that Ms. Abdennabi and Ms. Al-Nahi suffered as a result.

Ultimately, responsibility for what occurred rests with me. It is not the fault of our store leader that she doesn’t know how to handle a heated, hate-filled assault by one of our guests directed at another. It’s my fault. It’s my fault because she hasn’t been trained for this situation. All of our team members understand that racism and intolerance are unacceptable in any context, but as the leader of our organization it’s my responsibility to ensure that in a situation such as this one our store leaders know how to handle the situation in a way that best ensures the safety of our guests and team members while also ensuring an unwelcome patron is removed from the restaurant. All store leaders and team members, across all locations, will receive this training moving forward. While I hope another incident like this never occurs at one of our restaurants, it’s imperative that our store leaders know how to properly handle it.

In the end, while we welcome everyone at Kerbey Lane Cafe, there is no place for hatred and I’m so very sorry about what happened.[/quote]

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
43. And probably written by his lawyer and
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

a high priced PR damage control consultant. We have no idea if the CEO really feels that way.

Dorian Gray

(13,514 posts)
58. No way
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:28 PM
Dec 2015

It was heart felt and sincere. If it was for legal purposes it wouldn't have been so long.

I think it was a classy response to a shitty situation. Of course his staff weren't trained for this. We don't expect human beings to act like barbarians in restaurants. Sadly, that's changing now.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
5. I would eat there every day after reading the owners statement, makes me proud.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:01 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I do wonder if the knuckle-draggers will try to boycott this place now...



Edited to add local newspaper story of this event.

Some of the comments are great, some are predictable, (see TJ Williams)

http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2015-12-06/breakfast-with-bigots/

AwakeAtLast

(14,134 posts)
87. It's a great place to eat
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:53 PM
Dec 2015

I try to go there every time I visit my sister - right along with Torchy's.

My sister and her husband probably own a corner of the place by now, considering how often they eat there. Knowing her like I do, she would have said something if she had heard it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. Probably not
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:07 PM
Dec 2015

From my reading of the account by the owner, it sounds like two people was all it took to create this incident. I don't know how many others were there at the time, but their collective silence allowed the two troublemakers to speak for all of them.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Then perhaps most Texans should get over their case of lockjaw?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

Because the women targeted by these two could understandably draw a far different conclusion based on their personal experience and observation: "Who cares about us?" The only answer was "Nobody." What would you conclude?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
21. I live in Texas. Have for 30+ years. I'm not sure I 100% agree with you. There are some...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

...real assholes here (DFW area). MOST of them are cowards who secretly harbor the same sentiments as the asshole in that Austin diner. They're too f'in cowardly to make a scene to a Muslim/Black/Latino person's face. And they will damn sure keep their mouths shut when witnessing such assholery. Those that will jump to defend the victim are few and far between. And when someone does start harassing a Muslim and no one challenges their idiocy, it makes them bolder.

I hope you're fortunate to live in a friendlier, less neanderthal-populated area of Texas. My experience has caused me to hate this pathetic state and if I wasn't stuck here I'd be gone in a heartbeat.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
37. They could, but they didn't
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015

There's a word we use outside of Texas - I don't know if they know it in Texas - for when a person has the opportunity to stick up for the oppressed but doesn't, and later wants everyone to know that they coulda/woulda/shoulda said something, but they didn't, because . . . well, you know: Reasons.

So two troublemakers get to speak for all Texans even though "not all Texans" feel that way. Speak up or own the result. You don't get to have it both ways.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
42. Once more....these rwo do not represent the feelings of Most Texans....
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

I can't be more clear than that. Sorry

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
59. You don't have any evidence to support your assertion
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

In a room full of (presumably) Texans, the victims asked if anyone cared about the prejudice they were facing. The answer, unchallenged and uncontroverted, was "nobody."

The situation can't be more clear than that. As I said, you don't get to remain silent when you should have spoken up, then later get to say, "Oh we're not all like that." Because there's no proof. Sorry, not sorry.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
63. It's not a stereotype if it's based on a fact
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:48 PM
Dec 2015

A roomful of Texans sat quietly while two women were subjected to a bigot's ranting. When they appealed to the room for a contrary opinion, they were told that nobody disagreed with the bigot. That's not stereotyping, that's a recitation of the facts of the situation.

If it makes you uncomfortable to be cast with the bigots, then say something. You're living, but not learning. You want credit for the people in the room not being bigots, but none of them uttered a peep against the bigotry on display. The obvious conclusion is that they agreed with the bigot, because in this case, silence equals consent.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
77. Then someone should have spoken up
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
Dec 2015

Because the conclusion is warranted based on the actual events, not on what someone wishes had happened or thinks should have happened. When the entire room had the chance, the only person who spoke up agreed with the bigot.

If Pastor Niemoller was correct, the day will not be long delayed when someone in that room who kept silent will wish someone was around to speak up for them.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
82. Most Texans were in that diner?
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:43 PM
Dec 2015

Texas has over 25 million people. I guess most things are bigger in Texas....especially restaurants.

I don't think it's fair to judge all, or most, Texans by the actions (or lack of actions) by a handful of people in a restaurant. That would be sort of like labeling all the members of one religion as terrorists, based on the actions of a relative few that professed to be of the same religion.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
94. Austin IS a hotbed of racism and bigotry
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:45 PM
Dec 2015

So it's perhaps not surprising that in a room full of people, not one of them spoke up. But I'll go back to my original point: Everyone in that room, by their silence, signaled agreement with the two troublemakers who did express themselves.

catrose

(5,075 posts)
24. Particularly at Kerbey Lane, Austin
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:24 PM
Dec 2015

It's a longtime local place in the little blue island that is Austin, one of the first localvore restaurants, extensive vegetarian & vegan choices. That location is by the university. I'd expect any KL to be filled with old hippies and their descendants. Bravo to the executive.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
26. Which is why it's puzzling that people were cowed by that asshole - or worse - harboring...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:26 PM
Dec 2015

....the same sentiments.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
9. Texas has a huge German population and we all know what happened during WWII
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

This is not surprising at all.

Its shameful these women have to face such hate, hopefully the cafe makes things right and give them a year of free coffee. I don't think a Facebook apology is good enough here.

Jane Austin

(9,199 posts)
34. I have eaten at that location many times
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

and the place is usually packed with foreign students and, honestly, very few Anglo-Americans.

It's a fascinating - and delicious - place to eat.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
62. And they have a big Hispanic population too,
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:47 PM
Dec 2015

so guess it's not surprising this happened. And I hear some Irish moved there too...and let's not forget the Somali.

Which makes as much sense as what you just wrote.

If it's really necessary.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
69. What????!!!!! check your self....Jane made an observation based on......
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:10 PM
Dec 2015

first hand experience. All you did was READ about it. Sorry, but that really pissed me off.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
75. I wasn't reponding to Jane,
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:19 PM
Dec 2015

I was responding to the person who seemed to feel that having a large German population meant that is made sense that these women were harassed.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
11. Things seem to have gotten worse there
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

I was in Texas during and after 9/11 and never heard of this kind of crap taking place. Supposedly Texans pride themselves on politeness, but clearly that trait seems to be going away. Kudos for the store owner.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. This is a challenge for all of you
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:09 PM
Dec 2015

if you witness it, intervene.

And I will leave it at that. But it is happening not just in Texas.

2naSalit

(86,867 posts)
22. True.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:22 PM
Dec 2015

On 9/11/01 I was just graduated from my master's degree program and went to watch the teevee at friend's in the campus neighborhood. I am not exactly pearly white but everyone usually has a hard time trying to figure out my ethnic background but on that day and for weeks afterward, and though I had lived in that neighborhood for over a decade, I was accosted by several assholes who told me to "...go back to wherever the hell I came from!" by bigots all over campus.

Funny thing is that now the whole campus community has a 45% ME ethnic makeup. Can't go there without encountering at least 5 out of 10 people being from India, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other countries in the region. LOL. And we're talking Idaho here... I wonder how the next decade will turn out in that town.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
31. That might be a terrible idea, you're better off calling the police
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:35 PM
Dec 2015
if you witness it, intervene.


Its Texas we're talking about if someone is that unstable to openly confront women like that they might not afraid to open fire on someone confronting them.

We all know what happened to that waitress who confronted a man for smoking indoors.

http://www.eater.com/2015/11/30/9818416/waffle-house-murder-waitress-cigarette
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
33. I like to think I'd do just that.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not at all an intimidating-looking person, so I doubt it would escalate into violence. So no reason not to speak up...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
44. I wish I was in Austin and there at the time.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

I've stood up to my fellow Texans all my life when they start getting stupid in the brain. And if they want to shoot me, guess what sucker I am armed too. This is Texas after all where we settle everything with guuunns! And despite rumors from the Hate Machine, liberals are just as armed as the nut bars.

And after looking at some of your grouping shots...I feel good about my odds cuz you GOPers can't hit the broadside of barn!


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
46. True but we have it very bad here nadin. I would hate to be a Muslim living in Texas right now.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

People are on edge and looking for a fight. And when you combine stupid with firearms...you never get good results.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
70. I've seen and heard this shit in the past, and I DO say something!
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

I've been in Austin for 45 years, and it is a different place. Forty-something years ago, you could overhear and get it on a political discussion; now, you have to ask permission, and you usually get turned down. In a word, political activism -- long a halmark of the cultural scene -- is not "hepcat."

The owner of the restaurant did the right thing. The wrong thing was to go silent. That's ON US! And on anyone, anywhere, who let's that kind of shit slide.

Speak up. Raise a stink. If you can't do it with a couple of punk bullies, you won't do it in a movement.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. I doubt teabillies and neckbeards have the mental depth of discipline to learn how to make IEDs
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:06 PM
Dec 2015

I doubt teabillies and neckbeards have the mental depth of discipline to learn how to make IEDs, regardless of how simple they are to make.

tazkcmo

(7,304 posts)
86. Then you're under estimating them.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:52 PM
Dec 2015

I lived in a rural town full of Teabaggers, including one of my brothers. I can assure you, my brother knows how to blow shit up from a remote location just like I do and most of his fellow Teabaggers. They don't because they're not psychotic, just ignorant.

DFW

(54,448 posts)
23. My family and I experienced something similar once in Switzerland
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:23 PM
Dec 2015

Not as blatantly hateful, but similar in tone.

We had just come down from the mountains and were still in jeans and outdoor clothes. We got to Bern in the middle of a huge anti-nuclear power demonstration that we didn't know was happening, and made our way through the police lines and water cannon to our hotel. It was 1986, and the dollar was way high against the franc, so I had booked a room at one of the most upscale hotels in Bern. I had been doing that for a couple of years and speak Swiss German, so the reception staff knew me. Our two girls were 1½ and 3½.

Due to the demonstration, the hotel's terrace café was almost deserted. We took a seat at a table, and when one of the young waiters came over to take our order, we ordered ice cream for the girls and coffee for ourselves. When nothing came after ten minutes, we thought it odd, and our girls were getting impatient. After half an hour, the head waitress was standing between her two younger waiters, all three of the with their arms folded, and our girls were crying. My wife figured it out before I did. The head waitress had mistaken us for demonstrators, and ordered that we not be served. My wife blew a gasket and told the rest of us to accompany her to the reception desk. She was practically shouting at them (happens once MAYBE every ten years), telling them what a crappy institution they ran, said that if the stupid head waitress had bothered to come to our table herself, she would have noticed our room key on the table, and most important, even if we HAD been demonstrators, if we had conducted ourselves peacefully, and agreed to pay their prices, she had no business not serving us in any case.

An Italian guy I knew who worked at the reception told me this surely couldn't have been the case in THEIR hotel, and certainly not with a regular guest. He asked if we would wait in our room until he got to the bottom of this. So we did. He called up a few minutes later, apologizing profusely, and told us we could order whatever we wanted, and it would be brought up to our room at no charge. To add impact to the lesson they intended to teach, they made the head waitress at the café deliver it to us personally. When we checked out the next day, the manager came down to apologize again, and wrote us a long letter after we got back to Germany. He told me later the incident had been documented and permanently incorporated into their training of staff. My wife refuses to this day to ever stay there again. LOTS of hard feelings.

If the two Palestinian women harbor similar feelings for the place in Austin, I understand only too well.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
30. The two leading candidates for the WH in the GOP condone the behaviour of the assholes
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

in this story.

America is in for a very tough ride when the leaders of the GOP promote hate

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. I'm guessing incidents like this will spike over the coming months...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 02:58 PM
Dec 2015

I'm guessing incidents like this will spike over the coming months (regardless of state) as the under-educated and sub-literate continue reacting to collective narratives rather than to individual people.

I am glad however, that a silver lining emerged in that the CEO took a firm stance against bigotry.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
39. More bigotry...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:22 PM
Dec 2015

but these terms are not helpful at all. Was it racism? Islamophobia? Islam, an incredibly bigoted, homophobic, misogybistic, hateful religion, explicitly in the Koran and hadiths, doesn't really make sense in the term Islamophobia, at all.

Or, it makes as much sense as saying fascist phobia, liberal phobia, Christianity phobia, etc.

I just laugh when people bring that term up, it makes it hard to take them seriously. You just experienced bigotry, and are now referencing the bigotry back to a bigoted belief system you identify with?

Being scared of Islam is as sane as being scared of conservatism, they even overlap quite a lot. Maybe you could say it's Muslimphobia? I think straight up bigotry is the best description, with a mix of xenophobia and racism in many situations. But to give this bigoted belief system some sort of status similar to that of "homophobia" is just ludicrous and counter productive. Hell, Islam perpetuates quite a few "phobia" all over the world.

Most Muslim Americans do not act on or just ignore the terrible parts of Islam, same as Christians and Christianity. I don't think they should get a pat on the back for identifying with hateful belief systems and not acting on them, but I'll grant that people who assume they're violent are bigoted, and that's about all you can say when you identify with a bigoted belief system yourself.

It really makes it hard to sympathize much with someone who experiences bigotry while choosing to identify with an explicitly bigoted belief system. And then to ape the use of a term of a seriously oppressed minority like homosexuals, oppressed by your own bigoted religion nonetheless, just makes me laugh at the absurdity of it all. Wow.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. No. Not really. These two young women did nothing at all to anyone at all
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:10 PM
Dec 2015

"It really makes it hard to sympathize much with someone who experiences bigotry..."

No. Not really. These two young women did nothing at all to anyone at all and received bigoted responses for it.

Seems to me, only someone rationalizing their own biases and justifying their own interpretations of a religion would find it difficult to sympathize with them.

But then, as I'm using the actual actors in the piece rather than a straw-man hypothetical scenario, that may allow me more reason to sympathize than otherwise.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
90. One used the term "Islamophobia"...
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:04 PM
Dec 2015

Which makes it hard for me to sympathize much at all. I didn't bring up a hypothetical straw man scenario. In fact, I have no idea what you're referring to, as you don't seem to address anything at all in my post, which was objecting to the term Islamophobia.

They were on the receiving end of bigotry, and say that the bigotry is influenced by a irrational fear of Islam? The religion that oppresses homosexuals around the word and can truly be called homophobic? Islamophobic is a terrible term that seems to make the mistake of substituting the abuser for the abused.

Islam is straight up bigoted, as are all the Abrahamic religions, and the only people that have to rationalize and justify the terrible bigotry, misogyny, homophobia and hate in those texts and dogmas are the people that choose to identify with them. And they do, they rationalize all of it, and I don't respect that one bit.

Which is why the irony is too much for me to handle.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. Pathetic. Just pathetic. Sometimes I hate my state with a passion.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

I'd remind them of the word from George Bush Jr. right after 9/11. Did he call Islam horrible and curse about Muslims? Hell no he did not...to his credit he said this;

'I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful , and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.'

Too many adult-children getting giddy about listening to Muslims getting humiliated in public...well guess what assholes, you will be next or your turn is coming up. Think you are special and above reproach? Dream on, dream on.

 

malcolmboeing

(23 posts)
57. Race
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 05:11 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think it's racist to dislike Muslims. I don't like anyone that is overtly religious. As a proud atheist, I am highly offended by religious people that wear their opinions on their sleeve. I especially don't like the way Muslim's treat woman, homosexuals and transgender people.

Skittles

(153,226 posts)
95. not agreeing with all aspects of a religion is one thing
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:12 PM
Dec 2015

belittling people who are simply trying to eat a meal is entirely another

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
85. Muslim hate always hits the women worst. Because they are easiest to spot, wearing nijabs
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 07:50 PM
Dec 2015

Muslim men don't have to do anything regarding their own character, except demand that women cover up their slutty hair. Cover up your slutty hair, or deserve to be raped!

Muslim men are not as easy to spot, since they get to dress as wetern as they want to.

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