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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:43 PM Dec 2015

Finland To Pay Citizens $870 Per Month

Those struggling to make ends meet in Finland could soon get some extra cash, courtesy of the government. The Nordic nation is considering plans to hand over 800 tax-free euros to citizens every month. And it’s not just for citizens who are strapped for cash—every resident would receive a monthly payment equivalent to about $870.

The monthly €800 payment would replace all other welfare, social security programs, unemployment payments, The Independent reports. The Finnish government plans to begin testing the program in 2017.

Finland’s unemployment rate is at a 10-year high of more than 9 percent (the United States’ rate is 5.4 percent). Some fear that the basic income would be unfair, with the wealthy receiving the same amount as the poor. Others worry it might make people less eager to find work, but the monthly check is actually designed to get people back into the workforce. For many Finnish citizens, getting a part-time or low-paying job could impact their welfare benefits; leaving them worse off than if they did not work at all.

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“For me, a basic income means simplifying the social security system,” said Prime Minister Juha Sipila, who supports the idea, according to The Telegraph. A survey by the Finnish Social Insurance Institution found that 69 percent of citizens would prefer basic income to other benefits.


http://news.yahoo.com/finland-plans-every-citizen-rich-poor-870-month-002158545.html

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Finland To Pay Citizens $870 Per Month (Original Post) erpowers Dec 2015 OP
An income floor like that has the added benefit of removing shame Warpy Dec 2015 #1
It is an interesting idea first proposed here by Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #2
I was wondering what their base social security payments are now Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #3
that was my first question. yet to have it answered... magical thyme Dec 2015 #4
Replace SS erpowers Dec 2015 #7
yes, I read that. the question is will that be less than current SS recipients currently receive, magical thyme Dec 2015 #9
Maybe erpowers Dec 2015 #6
A salute to Finland: Photographer Dec 2015 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #8

Warpy

(111,389 posts)
1. An income floor like that has the added benefit of removing shame
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:50 PM
Dec 2015

from people who are unemployed or disabled. No more jumping through hoops to get that inadequate dole check, it's automatic and everybody gets one.

As for encouraging the lazy, it's not high enough for that. You have to be a one percenter be truly lazy. And they are.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. It is an interesting idea first proposed here by
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:50 PM
Dec 2015

the Goldwater campaign (Milton Freidman specifically ) as a negative income tax. Of course one of the problems is that it becomes a vehicle to first eliminate all social services and then to deflate the value of the base income. Right wingers love to do a bait and switch.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
3. I was wondering what their base social security payments are now
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

Will this decrease what the elderly are getting? They will be least able to supplement their income.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
4. that was my first question. yet to have it answered...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

I would hope that doesn't replace their SS -- it doesn't seem like enough to pay housing plus food. The elderly would end up forced to be Walmart greeters until they die in harness...not a happy future to look forward too!

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
7. Replace SS
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:41 AM
Dec 2015

The article stated that the payment were meant to replace all other social programs.

"The monthly €800 payment would replace all other welfare, social security programs,
unemployment payments, The Independent reports. The Finnish government plans to
begin testing the program in 2017."

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. yes, I read that. the question is will that be less than current SS recipients currently receive,
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:01 AM
Dec 2015

iow, are they getting a "pay cut" or are they staying more or less the same?

It depends on the cost of living in Finland, but that doesn't seem like enough to pay rent and food. But it's hard to believe they'd be throwing the elderly out in the street.

There's just not enough detail in the article to make a reasonable comparison. $870 may go much further in Finland than it does here. That amount would barely pay rent for a room in most of the US.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
6. Maybe
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015

Then article did not mention what the elderly are getting now, but it did state that the plan was to eliminate all other social program including Social Security.

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