fucking tolerate this.

I have to add it to my list, I have to fight off teaparty who actively want to FUCKING KILL WOMEN by outlawing abortion and I have to add it to my list to fight off teaparty who want to FUCKING TURN GAY AND BLACK PEOPLE into 2nd class citizens.

And now on the list is no, you are NOT going to exercise religious bigotry and xenophobic racism, not if I have anything to say about it.

But I cant do it alone.

Help!

I know how you feel.

Daesh and Al Qaeda will freely admit that they think Islam is not about peace.

And Donald Trump and Pam Geller and their supporters will agree with that.

Muslims who denounce violence and get progressive causes are the saboteurs against both of those groups; Muslims like Dr. Rana may not see others as their enemies, but there are people who see you as their enemy.

I strongly disagree in that there are many, many... the majority of Muslims that will tell you differently and quote you verses from the Koran to prove the point.

There is as much if not more contradictory text in the Bible that could be used to make the same case for Christians and Jews.

That's just a fact.

It's like a Tarantino movie.

As someone above wrote,

ISIS and al Qaeda are on firm theological ground when they say Islam is not peaceful.

Feel free to ask me to diss the Bible, I'm more than game.

And the same thing can be said about Christianity or any other belief system, or lack of belief system.

My post from above is being misinterpreted I think.

1- the 'holy' books are so contradictory it's possible to pick, choose and justify anything

2- because they are so self contradictory, they can't be held as books of guidance.

But (1) contradicts what was written earlier: nobody can seriously say the Quran is peaceful

It is both violent and peaceful, with more violent than peaceful verses.

different languages, etc.

If a Muslim genuinely believes their religion is about peace, and if they are respecting of human and civil rights, then I don't think their individual religious views should be seen as bad or wrong. And if a Muslim genuinely believes their religion and sees it as guidance to advance causes of justice and progress, should we really hold that against them?

There is no earthly way it can be even remotely argued that Islam preaches peace towards the despised kuffars (unbelievers)

I would even add that there are quite a few verses which go to quite some lengths to suggest quite unpleasant things to do to the kuffars.

Let's not even mention the charming hadiths comparing Jews to pigs and monkeys.

Religion is what people want it to be. They use what they want from their "books" and leave the rest.

The majority of Muslims in 1st world countries are peaceful. Unfortunately, there are still large areas in eastern lands, where religion is used to control people and maintain control. In those countries, religion is evil.

To say the Muslims in the US cannot be peaceful because they use the Quran is a lie. They are peaceful and do read the Quran. That is no different than saying all Christians in the US must be religious radicals because of the old testament. Yet many modern Christains put away the old testement and follow Jesus' teachings of love for your fellow man.

It is very disrespectful to post that Islam cannot be a peaceful religion. All religions evolve.

I never wrote or though that "Muslims in the US cannot be peaceful",
but if all of them are to have fully peaceful beliefs and attitudes, it will mean they all agreed to disregard the very many violent and hateful passages of the Quran.

For example, Judaism leads the way in this regard: its 'holy' book, the Torah, clearly states to stone to death whomsoever works on a Saturday. Afaik, no Jew in America buys buys or respects this. I hope it would be the same for the violent verses in the Quran for Islam.

Do you have any idea how many peaceful Muslims live in the US? And how small a number of the Muslim population in the US have ever been involved in terrorism or radical Islam.

I think it is pretty much a given that the Muslims in the US have long ignored the parts of the Quran that don't represent them. Just like the majority of Christians have put aside the parts of the Bible that promote cruelty and death, because it no longer represents them.

Depending on which study you read, and which item of the studies you focus on, support for Sharia* among Americam Muslims is around 33%, some form of radicalism among young Muslims around 15%.
*:Sharia means for all schools of islamic jurisprudence harsh sentences for imaginary crimes

Frank J. Gaffney, Jr. (born April 5, 1953) is an American political commentator who is founder and president of the Center for Security Policy and a proponent of conspiracy theories

The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a national security think tank based in Washington, DC that has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. Its activities are focused on exposing and researching perceived jihadist threats to America. The Center has been described as "not very highly respected" by the BBC and "disreputable" by Salon.

The fact a poll is mentioned by a RW source doesn't invalidate it.
If it's raining, even if you learn it from Rush Limbaugh, it's still raining.

Anyway, you focused on one source; the other I quoted is Pew.
And it's coherent with lots of other data from other democracies

I summed it up in one thread as the question comes often:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218217987

The commonality of the different studies is that about one third of Muslims in the West value more the rigid Sharia (with its punishments for imaginary crimes) than the law of the land

Bye

But if you are emotionally invested in Islam, you will only notice my posts about Islam.

PS: my stance about ALL religions is summed up by my signature pic.

Daesh only speaks for Daesh, not for Muslims in general.

It's what they will tell you what they think Islam is.

I really don't think they speak for Muslims or Islam, just their perverted version and interpretation of it.

How did they get the guns in?

I don't think it's legal there.

the murderers in Paris staked out their targets. If someone had reported that suspicious, many of the victims would be alive today.

If only someone had reported X-would be alive today
That's up there with people who fall back on how it effects children

else more difficult

They are xenophobic, bigoted assholes.

Those people weren't afraid of anything. They were just flaunting their bigotry and privilege.

or some such bullshit

If you fly out of Houston, you will frequently fly with Muslims on board.

Must have been some Texas hicks who rarely, if ever, fly.

They could have been from NJ, since that's from where the plane was taking off
They could have been people from just about anywhere in the US traveling to Texas

I'm someone who would be bold enough to report suspicious behavior, but being Muslim in itself is not suspicious!

December 2001, I had guns pulled on me the first time I flew after being added to the No-Fly list. That's when I found out I was on the list. I have had this "joy" many times since, minus the guns. As more people's names were added to the list they started to calm down as it happens all of the time now.

By the way, I am a middle aged "white" guy.