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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:57 AM May 2012

Romney's Former Classmate: "When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney"

"When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney,"

- Sidney Barthwell, Romney's classmate at Cranbrook and Obama's at Harvard Law.


“When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney,” Barthwell, a district court magistrate in Michigan who attended boarding school with Romney and Harvard Law School with Obama, told The Daily.

“Mitt Romney is smart,” he said. “Having said all that, I still think he’s going to get smoked. The best he can do is hopefully come out not looking like a fool. Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama.”

Barthwell, the only black member of Romney’s 1965 class at Cranbrook Schools, met Obama at Harvard Law, where both joined the Black Law Student Association and pushed for greater diversity among the faculty together.

He said he has “tremendous respect” for both men. But Obama, said Barthwell, made a more striking impression.

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Romney's Former Classmate: "When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney" (Original Post) kpete May 2012 OP
It's the expectations game. Skinner May 2012 #1
Oh, they only do that in years divisible by four. Bucky May 2012 #12
Will he inhale? slackmaster May 2012 #2
When is the first debate? Blue_Roses May 2012 #3
Meh... youthful experimentation. cthulu2016 May 2012 #4
The problem with American debates is they generally politically right of center Johonny May 2012 #5
Sure, any Republican with actual knowledge of what the (R) talking points are. DCKit May 2012 #6
+1,000,000 Auggie May 2012 #9
Obama will mop the floor with Romney. You heard it here first - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #7
Unless Romney adopts the Palin Defense gratuitous May 2012 #15
Ha-Ha - "The Palin Defense" - sounds like the title of a cheesy Robert Ludlum coalition_unwilling May 2012 #17
I can't wait to see Rmoney lose his famous temper magical thyme May 2012 #8
I think the worst thing he could do is look petulant XemaSab May 2012 #11
Andersen left one part out of the question..... Wounded Bear May 2012 #14
Insert Cheech and Chong type jokes here. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2012 #10
I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt skips the debates altogether. Bake May 2012 #13
That's quite possible, otherwise the debates will be distilled down to such a bland madinmaryland May 2012 #19
Bush vs. Gore Hawkowl May 2012 #16
I worked for Al Gore and John Kerry and liked them both quaker bill May 2012 #22
I don't think he will actually Prophet 451 May 2012 #18
Lowering expectations for your friend (Romney) Mr. Barthwell? Dawson Leery May 2012 #20
Unless Romney has that thing on his back like W did, he's screwed. Initech May 2012 #21
Of course Obama will win the debates. But most people don't watch them, and they Honeycombe8 May 2012 #23

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
1. It's the expectations game.
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:04 AM
May 2012

They're already setting it up so Romney can claim a win if he avoids a major gaffe.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
5. The problem with American debates is they generally politically right of center
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:19 AM
May 2012

they discuss issues of the right, generally from a right perspective and framed for the right. Thus Republicans have a natural advantage.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
6. Sure, any Republican with actual knowledge of what the (R) talking points are.
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:04 PM
May 2012

RMoney, on the other hand, answers every question with "Why aren't we talking about jobs and the economy?" Not that he's got anything to say about jobs or the economy.

If that's all he's got, President Obama is going to run the debates. Easily.

None of the Republic talking heads is talented enough to dumb down the debate enough to make Mittens look good.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Unless Romney adopts the Palin Defense
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:20 PM
May 2012

And he just says whatever he darned well pleases without recourse to what question was actually asked. Say what you will about Gov. Palin, and granted that it was just one debate, but she stubbornly and doggedly stayed on her course of action and refused to be engaged on any issue.

I don't know that the tactic will work in a presidential debate, but it sure as hell kept Palin from saying too many stupid things during the long vice presidential "debate" in 2008. And, as could be predicted, Palin's failure to answer any questions was effectively papered over by her adoring fans in the media outlets (e.g., the doughy pantload himself, Jonah Goldberg).

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
17. Ha-Ha - "The Palin Defense" - sounds like the title of a cheesy Robert Ludlum
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:45 PM
May 2012

thriller (or maybe a brilliant chess strategy, whereby the person using it moves chess pieces as if they are checkers

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. I can't wait to see Rmoney lose his famous temper
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:22 PM
May 2012

on national teevee. With all cameras on him.

It's either that, or he'll freeze stiffer and more wooden than an oak.

It will also be interesting to see if he attempts his vulcan shoulder grip again. I'm sure O will be prepared, regardless of which Mitt shows up at the debate.

Take your pick. He can't have it both ways.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
11. I think the worst thing he could do is look petulant
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:49 PM
May 2012

I'm trying to remember what the question was in one of the Republican debates where Newt just whipped out and laid the smack down on the moderator. It was one of the most brilliant political moments I've ever seen.

A moment of real righteous wrath might win the sympathies of the audience. It's when a candidate starts sounding like a kid who wonders why the other kid got more ice cream on his cone that crucifies a candidate politically.


ETA: Oh yeah, here it is.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
14. Andersen left one part out of the question.....
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:19 PM
May 2012

the part about how Grinchie was trying to impeach the sitting president over his "personal pain" while cheating on his wife.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,005 posts)
10. Insert Cheech and Chong type jokes here.
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:31 PM
May 2012

Seriously though I'm expecting Rmoney to lose it during the debates like he did with Rick Perry.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
13. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt skips the debates altogether.
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:16 PM
May 2012

He knows he'll get his ass kicked if he shows up. So he may just self-righteously refuse to show up.

Bake

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
19. That's quite possible, otherwise the debates will be distilled down to such a bland
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:27 PM
May 2012

affair that it really won't mean anything, and there will be no way that Willard can screw it up.

 

Hawkowl

(5,213 posts)
16. Bush vs. Gore
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:51 PM
May 2012

Remembering the Bush vs. Gore debates, we should not be surprised at how the media, through camera angles, formatting, moderator choices, will do more to determine who "wins" the debates than the abilities of the candidates.

These are not unbiased, objective, news events designed to elicit truth. There is no way in hell that Bush should have been in the same room as either Gore or Kerry, yet the media managed to portray Bush as succeeding.

Maybe Obama should not schedule any debates. As long as the economy is not a disaster, and gas can stay below $4 a gallon, having debates just give Romney free t.v. time.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
22. I worked for Al Gore and John Kerry and liked them both
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:39 PM
May 2012

But both of them put together have about half of the oratorical skill of President Obama. While I would agree that both Gore and Kerry won the debates with Bush, the victories were not knockouts, they were settled by the judges after 15 rounds.

It is hard to say what will happen in these debates as the rules are always negotiated, but if it gets at all scrappy, Obama wins in a walk. Gingrich and Santorum got under Mitt's skin. Gingrich can turn a phrase, but is largely just a bully, Santorum, well even a broken watch is right twice a day. Obama is a skilled surgeon by comparison. He can slice and dice and barely leave a scar.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
18. I don't think he will actually
Wed May 30, 2012, 09:13 PM
May 2012

In a real debate, Obama would win at a walk. But the presidential debate isn't the same thing. The format prevents an actual debate breaking out. What I suspect will happen is that firstly, the right-wing echo chamber will lower expectations so much that Romney will be declared the victor if he avoids a massive gaffe (Obama, naturally, will be judged a loser unless he comes out with speeches rivalling Cicero) and Romney will take the Palin approach of memorising talking points, spitting those out as often as possible and just ignoring the question.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. Of course Obama will win the debates. But most people don't watch them, and they
Wed May 30, 2012, 10:43 PM
May 2012

certainly don't vote on teh basis of them. If they did, Bush would never have won. Twice.

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