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why Social Security is such a good thing (Original Post) handmade34 May 2012 OP
It's those fees that caused the drive away from defined pensions to sinkingfeeling May 2012 #1
With the help of a government that re-structured taxes to help them with their theft. jtuck004 May 2012 #2
interesting link handmade34 May 2012 #3
Part of the push was the failure of a few pensions, but the solution we got was like being thrown jtuck004 May 2012 #4

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
1. It's those fees that caused the drive away from defined pensions to
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:28 AM
May 2012

401Ks. Those poor old Wall Streeters needed a new source of revenue and more 'investors'.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. With the help of a government that re-structured taxes to help them with their theft.
Wed May 30, 2012, 12:03 PM
May 2012


401(k) plans were a way to give rich people, who were already going to invest that money anyway, a tax break for doing so. This was a common theme of the Carter/Reagan* era for you young’uns. They were also a way for employers to avoid having to support fixed benefit pensions and thereby reduce compensation (i.e., retirement benefits) to employees (cutting back on retirement benefits was another theme of the late 70s and 80s). The advocates of these plans never even thought about middle class workers. They–you–didn’t enter into the calculations at all.

And now we have an entire generation of ‘citizen investors’ who have been played for suckers:


here.


 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. Part of the push was the failure of a few pensions, but the solution we got was like being thrown
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:34 PM
May 2012

a life preserver made of lead.
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