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lovuian

(19,362 posts)
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:50 AM May 2012

Greece to Leave Euro Zone on June 18: Wealth Manager

Greece will leave the euro zone on June 18 if the populist government wins the country’s elections on the 17 as the rest of the euro zone rounds on "cheaters," Nick Dewhirst, director at wealth management firm Integral Asset Management, told CNBC.com Monday.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47587509

Well Greece is not the only one
Austere measures are not working
Capitalism is a FAILED system ....it leads to terrible Depressions and promotes 1% holding all the wealth in a country and the 99% as slaves

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Greece to Leave Euro Zone on June 18: Wealth Manager (Original Post) lovuian May 2012 OP
rec SammyWinstonJack May 2012 #1
Do you really believe anything CNBC says? MadHound May 2012 #2
It is main stream media and I don't believe them lovuian May 2012 #5
Are they also promoting their ratings through sensationalism? Democrats_win May 2012 #12
Well, now we know not to invest with Nick Dewhirst cthulu2016 May 2012 #3
He didn't have much sympathy for the Greek people lovuian May 2012 #4
If capitalism is the cause of failure why isn't the US in worse shape than Europe? dkf May 2012 #6
I've heard it's because they went deeper into austerity measures than we did. Gregorian May 2012 #7
Austerity is the result not the cause. Perception of insolvency is the problem. dkf May 2012 #8
I'm only repeating what experienced market analysts are saying. Gregorian May 2012 #10
Austerity is a policy to force workers to pay or the gambling debts of corrupt Wall Street sabrina 1 May 2012 #11
I think you know this is not true. girl gone mad May 2012 #14
Austerity made the problem worse by perpetuating and abelenkpe May 2012 #19
We print our own currency at the national level. JDPriestly May 2012 #13
I've often thought that was Reagan's single worst legacy. ieoeja May 2012 #15
The competition between the states to offer ever lower taxes in order JDPriestly Jun 2012 #20
soveriegn currency abelenkpe May 2012 #18
kick the banksters out, nationalize the banks, write off the debt librechik May 2012 #9
exactly abelenkpe May 2012 #17
They said that in March too abelenkpe May 2012 #16
 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
2. Do you really believe anything CNBC says?
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:53 AM
May 2012

Their credibility expired years ago, and somehow I doubt that a "wealth manager" in a comfy US office really knows what's going to happen the day after Greek elections.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
5. It is main stream media and I don't believe them
Wed May 30, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

but they do which to promote a agenda and it is always good to get a glimpse of their agenda

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
12. Are they also promoting their ratings through sensationalism?
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:58 PM
May 2012

This guy's comments about it being June 18th doesn't pass the smell test. Maybe this guy graduated form the Donald Trump charm school.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
3. Well, now we know not to invest with Nick Dewhirst
Wed May 30, 2012, 11:56 AM
May 2012

Greece may or may not leave the Euro, but it won't be June 18.

The ECB will not cut-off Euros to Greece without bothering to see what government forms or what it proposes.

This guy is obviously a moron or seeks to benefit from lying.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
4. He didn't have much sympathy for the Greek people
Wed May 30, 2012, 12:09 PM
May 2012

what he said about the banks closing and taking all the people's money
like they did in Argentina

was pretty frightening

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
10. I'm only repeating what experienced market analysts are saying.
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:47 PM
May 2012

Austerity in terms of government spending. That's how I understood it.

In fact, right from the Wiki page- "In economics, austerity refers to a policy of deficit-cutting by lowering spending often via a reduction in the amount of benefits and public services provided."

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. Austerity is a policy to force workers to pay or the gambling debts of corrupt Wall Street
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:56 PM
May 2012

Gamblers. The perps who Crashed The World's Economies.

But whenever criminals try to force other people to pay their debts, throughout history, they run into what should have been an obvious problem, the little people don't like paying with their pensions and HC and taxes for the bonuses and extreme, luxurious lifestyles of these gamblers.

Iceland was right to prosecute those who actually were responsible for the Meltdown.

The rich are not very smart, just greedy so they always, always make the same mistakes. Not satisfied with the billions they accumulate without really contributing much to society, (unlike firemen and teachers eg) they can't stop hoarding money, and taking what little the poor have is not a moral issue for them.

Now there is no more to take, plus this time they imposed their 'austerity' programs on First World Countries and hopefully they went too far and the world will recover and as we are hearing now in France, will end these policies and focus on NOT saving the rich but in Growth, for the PEOPLE.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
14. I think you know this is not true.
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

After the financial crisis and collapse, which was brought about by excess private sector debt creation (profligate banks), toxic private debts were transferred on to sovereign balance sheets in the U.S. and abroad.

In the U.S. we "printed" trillions to cover the bad debts and then we stimulated our economy through tax cuts and public sector spending. In other words, we ran a large government deficit to balance the debt deleveraging which was occurring the private sector. We've managed to avoid disaster, but just barely since these moves were insufficient and nothing was done to rein in the banks which means they remain the biggest beneficiaries.

Eurozone member states like Greece cannot take these necessary actions to stabilize their economies because they are not sovereign in their currencies and must compete for financing in the broken capital markets or cut bad deals for Troika bailouts, which end up flowing out of the Greek economy and back to the Troika within days. In exchange for the loans which basically go directly into the pockets of the bondholders, creditors have demanded severe cuts to public sector spending and tax increases which have hit the people very hard. As a result, Greece is now trapped in a deflationary spiral.

Haven't we been over this many times now? Remember when you told me Europe was a better credit risk than the U.S.? I explained to you then why this was not true. I hope you listened.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
19. Austerity made the problem worse by perpetuating and
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:49 PM
May 2012

exacerbating the downward spiral. How can one service ever increasing debt by reducing wages and laying off workers? Austerity was never the answer to Greece's problems and by pursuing it has made the problem many times worse.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. We print our own currency at the national level.
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:14 PM
May 2012

Our Constitution gives to Congress the authority to print money.

Greece joined the Euro giving its authority to simply print money to its economic rivals in the region.

A nation divided . . . .

A Europe divided . . . . destroys its weakest members.

Assuming that the problem in Greece actually is failure to pay taxes, a centralized European government would probably have a centralized European tax authority. Taxes would be collected the same in every country.

The same goes for the banking system.

We could easily get into the same situation as Greece because many of the states are teetering on bankruptcy. California cannot raise taxes without a huge hullabaloo so we are cutting, cutting, cutting. That is called austerity, and it slows economic growth and imposes suffering on the poor.

If individual states are allowed to fall into bankruptcy, the US could have a serious problem.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
15. I've often thought that was Reagan's single worst legacy.
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

He shifted the tax burden from Federal to local by slashing the Federal income tax then slashing in turn grants to state and local governments. Results:

Indiana lets United Airlines operate tax free eliminating the tax base of United and its employees from Illinois while only adding the tax base of the employees to Indiana. The combined states receive a net loss of the United Airlines tax base.

Illinois lets Boeing operate tax free elminating the tax base of Boeing and its employees from Washington while only adding the tax base of the empoyees to Illinois. The combined states receive a net loss of the Boeing tax base.

And so forth. We have this continually shrinking tax base, states fighting each other, etc.

Then who has to make up these lost tax bases? The people and small businesses. Which is one of the myriad reasons small business owners need to come to their senses and realize that the GOP is not out to help them. The GOP continually shifts the tax burden off of megacorps and onto the mom & pop's.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. The competition between the states to offer ever lower taxes in order
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:55 AM
Jun 2012

to bribe businesses to set up shop and employ taxable people inside their state is causing the near bankruptcy of states.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
9. kick the banksters out, nationalize the banks, write off the debt
Wed May 30, 2012, 01:28 PM
May 2012

start over fresh. FUCK THE INTERNATIONAL BANKS/PIRATES

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
16. They said that in March too
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:44 PM
May 2012

The Euro may very well break up. Pretty sure what Greece wants is to default and stay in the Euro.

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