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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo I was thinking about the latest volley in the War on Christmas.
This being a current event, I hope it still qualifies for GD. The issue involves displaying Christmas Trees in or around public buildings. I thought the usual understanding was that these displays were acceptable as long as other religions were also represented.
Frankly, I haven't come across any newspaper articles reporting that this is a massive problem this year. But, the topic did surface on a DU post and the wheels began to turn as I looked for something novel to bring into the discussion. I did come up with one point that no one else has ever mentioned before.
Are you aware that there are some Christian factions that discourage the display of Christmas decorations, limiting them to one object? I have a relative who is a very conservative, devout Christian, but she only displays a wreath at the front door. So, I have to assume that the Christians who may make an issue of Christmas trees on public property do not belong to the same form of Christianity that she practices.
So, has anyone really looked into this to determine what Christian practices are seriously upset about this?
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)are symbols and events from a variety of sources.
onecaliberal
(32,878 posts)the solid "red cup". He talked at length about how Starbucks is not responsible to teach people about Christ, and the strange relationship America has with retailers.
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)onecaliberal
(32,878 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Nor why the supposedly religious wingnuts are choosing to make such a deal about it now.
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)2naSalit
(86,691 posts)That's all it has ever been.
JHB
(37,161 posts)It gins up a sense that they are the REAL people being put-upon, that they are under siege by "the forces of political correctness".
It makes cranks out to be heroes. Unsurprisingly, a top pusher of the view is someone who does that all year long, Bill O'Reiley.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)They don't do Christmas as a shopping opportunity and they don't decorate.
We don't do decorations because we don't have any little ones. I think Christmas is for kids.
That's just me. I think those people that are perpetually offensive about pushing their beliefs on others should be recognized as bullies.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)a life with cats after the kids were grown has discouraged my efforts to do a tree, and eventually I just let the holidays slide on by.
I do send a few cards and wishes to people I am close to, that is about it.
Definitely no shopping.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I'm a cultural outlier I guess. I take note of solstices, migrations etc. Those kinds of things I celebrate in my heart...new sycamore trees, oak trees, wild flowers.
Eagles flying the creek really got us excited this year.
Yes, when my son was younger the cat always claimed at least one decoration per season.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)"Jesus Christ, we're doing this shit again?"
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I'll have to try to remember that response if anyone ever tries the "keep the Christ in Christmas" crap on me.
"Jesus Christ, we're doing this shit again?" Love it.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Somehow they are equating the extreme outlay of cash by consumers with the birth of Jesus. It is rather ironic that the worst war on Christmas shills are descendants of traditions that were anti-Christmas. They viewed it as Papist mummery.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)When my kids were young I selected a dark-skinned Christmas angel for our tree. Didn't give it a second thought. It just seemed to be more representative of our heritage than the blonde haired blue eyed angel.
Well, even though I have purchased other Christmas toppings for the tree, that angel is always the one that the kids select now that they're older.
What is curious is the reaction from people who come to visit. I had one woman stare at the treetop and remark in surprise. "That's a black angel!"
I wasn't going to get into a debate on whether the angel was black or a dark-skinned hispanic, so i just said, Yes.
Almost as if she realized she had exposed herself she quickly recovered. "Good for you." And retreated into the next room.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)i found it in a post on buzzfeed
sorry i'm unable to use capital letters, just got back from er, broke my left wrist in 3 places falling off a ladder.
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)Made me think about tree toppers that sometimes surprise people.
Hope you heal soon!
haikugal
(6,476 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)A word like 'Holiday' is so offensive to Faux Snooze because the deviation is "Holy" day?
What is with the insistence on martyrdom and those guys? Christian victims are more persecuted than Syrian refugees? Really?
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Making the news and just not reporting it. And America thought, so called. "The 'Liberal' Media", was awful for reporting the truth about Republicans so they counter by telling lies about Democrats.
I still get mad that life isn't fair, even though I know it is not . It's true that life's a bitch and then you die.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)WestCoastLib
(442 posts)"The Church" wanted christmas to be a solemn holiday. Not a celebration. A day for prayer and worship. With the exception of Catholic mass, they were very opposed to pretty much all the traditions we think of, when we think of christmas.
Of course, most of those traditions do not have christian origions anyway and many predate the religion as a whole. But that's another story.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)that 19th-century eccentrics insisted were 5th-century pagan rituals
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Or perhaps expectedly, depending on your point of view on that church. At either rate, the CoC couldn't care less about the 'War on Christmas', as I was taught from birth that although some people ('the misguided') worship it as Jesus Birthday, Jesus Birthday wasn't mentioned in the Bible as a holy day or day of Remembrance and holds no special significance for salvation. Furthermore, it was a holiday created out of pagan ones. It's okay to celebrate secularly, but it's in no way a 'religious' holiday.
Again, this is what I was raised with, not what I believe. But for sake of example to those unfamiliar with 'fundamentalist' churches, there you go.
Brother Buzz
(36,449 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah, and a good new year so free of real problems we can discuss this crap instead of counting dead bodies and wounded in a school for the mentally challenged and wondering who/where the second guy seen with the shooter is.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The War on Christmas is a creation used to increase media ratings via conflict and drama. The half-witted and the irrational go along for the ride without any real knowledge of being duped.
It exists nowhere on any collective level... merely in the minds of ratings-hungry producers, and the demographics they taget.