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Baitball Blogger

(46,750 posts)
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:35 PM Dec 2015

So I was thinking about the latest volley in the War on Christmas.

This being a current event, I hope it still qualifies for GD. The issue involves displaying Christmas Trees in or around public buildings. I thought the usual understanding was that these displays were acceptable as long as other religions were also represented.

Frankly, I haven't come across any newspaper articles reporting that this is a massive problem this year. But, the topic did surface on a DU post and the wheels began to turn as I looked for something novel to bring into the discussion. I did come up with one point that no one else has ever mentioned before.

Are you aware that there are some Christian factions that discourage the display of Christmas decorations, limiting them to one object? I have a relative who is a very conservative, devout Christian, but she only displays a wreath at the front door. So, I have to assume that the Christians who may make an issue of Christmas trees on public property do not belong to the same form of Christianity that she practices.

So, has anyone really looked into this to determine what Christian practices are seriously upset about this?

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So I was thinking about the latest volley in the War on Christmas. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 OP
Most of what people precieve as Christmas Rod Beauvex Dec 2015 #1
Not sure, but at my church on Sunday, the Pastor slammed the congregations up in arms over onecaliberal Dec 2015 #2
So true. I would have like to have heard that sermon. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #4
They usually put it on podcast. I can look for it, in a bit. onecaliberal Dec 2015 #7
Would appreciate that! Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #11
I cannot figure out what "the war" is about. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #3
Election year, maybe? Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #5
To get attention... 2naSalit Dec 2015 #8
Grievance envy JHB Dec 2015 #10
I live in Amish and Mennonite country. haikugal Dec 2015 #6
We don't 'do" Christmas either. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2015 #19
Lol....yeah that's the way I talk. haikugal Dec 2015 #25
My reply to the " keep Christ in Christmas " remark is a very smartassed NightWatcher Dec 2015 #9
LOL!! SheilaT Dec 2015 #27
I think it's more a case of capitalinity rather than Christianity. TexasProgresive Dec 2015 #12
Incoming! LiberalEsto Dec 2015 #13
Very cool. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #15
it's the flying spaghetti monster as a tree topper LiberalEsto Dec 2015 #29
I definitely recognized him. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #30
Very cute!! haikugal Dec 2015 #26
I don't understand why libodem Dec 2015 #14
Sounds like it's the talking heads who are stirring the shit. Baitball Blogger Dec 2015 #16
Yep libodem Dec 2015 #17
It's a shiny object to rile up their viewer-morons and distract them from real issues. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #18
The War on christmas was waged by the church for most of the history of christmas WestCoastLib Dec 2015 #20
right--Dec. 24 is for church services, not 18th-century German traditions MisterP Dec 2015 #21
Interestingly enough, it's not the Church of Christ. Shandris Dec 2015 #22
Get with the times - this year, it's all about doormats reading 'Merry Christmas' Brother Buzz Dec 2015 #23
All I have to say is MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #24
The War on Christmas is a creation used to increase media ratings via conflict and drama LanternWaste Dec 2015 #28

onecaliberal

(32,878 posts)
2. Not sure, but at my church on Sunday, the Pastor slammed the congregations up in arms over
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:52 PM
Dec 2015

the solid "red cup". He talked at length about how Starbucks is not responsible to teach people about Christ, and the strange relationship America has with retailers.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
3. I cannot figure out what "the war" is about.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

Nor why the supposedly religious wingnuts are choosing to make such a deal about it now.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
10. Grievance envy
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:20 PM
Dec 2015

It gins up a sense that they are the REAL people being put-upon, that they are under siege by "the forces of political correctness".

It makes cranks out to be heroes. Unsurprisingly, a top pusher of the view is someone who does that all year long, Bill O'Reiley.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
6. I live in Amish and Mennonite country.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

They don't do Christmas as a shopping opportunity and they don't decorate.

We don't do decorations because we don't have any little ones. I think Christmas is for kids.

That's just me. I think those people that are perpetually offensive about pushing their beliefs on others should be recognized as bullies.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. We don't 'do" Christmas either.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:56 PM
Dec 2015

a life with cats after the kids were grown has discouraged my efforts to do a tree, and eventually I just let the holidays slide on by.
I do send a few cards and wishes to people I am close to, that is about it.
Definitely no shopping.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
25. Lol....yeah that's the way I talk.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015

I'm a cultural outlier I guess. I take note of solstices, migrations etc. Those kinds of things I celebrate in my heart...new sycamore trees, oak trees, wild flowers.

Eagles flying the creek really got us excited this year.



Yes, when my son was younger the cat always claimed at least one decoration per season.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. My reply to the " keep Christ in Christmas " remark is a very smartassed
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 01:11 PM
Dec 2015

"Jesus Christ, we're doing this shit again?"

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. LOL!!
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:22 PM
Dec 2015

I'll have to try to remember that response if anyone ever tries the "keep the Christ in Christmas" crap on me.

"Jesus Christ, we're doing this shit again?" Love it.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
12. I think it's more a case of capitalinity rather than Christianity.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:18 PM
Dec 2015

Somehow they are equating the extreme outlay of cash by consumers with the birth of Jesus. It is rather ironic that the worst war on Christmas shills are descendants of traditions that were anti-Christmas. They viewed it as Papist mummery.

Baitball Blogger

(46,750 posts)
15. Very cool.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

When my kids were young I selected a dark-skinned Christmas angel for our tree. Didn't give it a second thought. It just seemed to be more representative of our heritage than the blonde haired blue eyed angel.

Well, even though I have purchased other Christmas toppings for the tree, that angel is always the one that the kids select now that they're older.

What is curious is the reaction from people who come to visit. I had one woman stare at the treetop and remark in surprise. "That's a black angel!"

I wasn't going to get into a debate on whether the angel was black or a dark-skinned hispanic, so i just said, Yes.

Almost as if she realized she had exposed herself she quickly recovered. "Good for you." And retreated into the next room.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
29. it's the flying spaghetti monster as a tree topper
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

i found it in a post on buzzfeed

sorry i'm unable to use capital letters, just got back from er, broke my left wrist in 3 places falling off a ladder.

Baitball Blogger

(46,750 posts)
30. I definitely recognized him.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 07:40 PM
Dec 2015

Made me think about tree toppers that sometimes surprise people.

Hope you heal soon!

libodem

(19,288 posts)
14. I don't understand why
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:30 PM
Dec 2015

A word like 'Holiday' is so offensive to Faux Snooze because the deviation is "Holy" day?

What is with the insistence on martyrdom and those guys? Christian victims are more persecuted than Syrian refugees? Really?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
17. Yep
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

Making the news and just not reporting it. And America thought, so called. "The 'Liberal' Media", was awful for reporting the truth about Republicans so they counter by telling lies about Democrats.

I still get mad that life isn't fair, even though I know it is not . It's true that life's a bitch and then you die.

WestCoastLib

(442 posts)
20. The War on christmas was waged by the church for most of the history of christmas
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

"The Church"™ wanted christmas to be a solemn holiday. Not a celebration. A day for prayer and worship. With the exception of Catholic mass, they were very opposed to pretty much all the traditions we think of, when we think of christmas.

Of course, most of those traditions do not have christian origions anyway and many predate the religion as a whole. But that's another story.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
21. right--Dec. 24 is for church services, not 18th-century German traditions
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:26 PM
Dec 2015

that 19th-century eccentrics insisted were 5th-century pagan rituals

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
22. Interestingly enough, it's not the Church of Christ.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

Or perhaps expectedly, depending on your point of view on that church. At either rate, the CoC couldn't care less about the 'War on Christmas', as I was taught from birth that although some people ('the misguided') worship it as Jesus Birthday, Jesus Birthday wasn't mentioned in the Bible as a holy day or day of Remembrance and holds no special significance for salvation. Furthermore, it was a holiday created out of pagan ones. It's okay to celebrate secularly, but it's in no way a 'religious' holiday.

Again, this is what I was raised with, not what I believe. But for sake of example to those unfamiliar with 'fundamentalist' churches, there you go.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
24. All I have to say is
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah, and a good new year so free of real problems we can discuss this crap instead of counting dead bodies and wounded in a school for the mentally challenged and wondering who/where the second guy seen with the shooter is.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. The War on Christmas is a creation used to increase media ratings via conflict and drama
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:25 PM
Dec 2015

The War on Christmas is a creation used to increase media ratings via conflict and drama. The half-witted and the irrational go along for the ride without any real knowledge of being duped.


It exists nowhere on any collective level... merely in the minds of ratings-hungry producers, and the demographics they taget.

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