who could make it through BUD/S, especially hell week.

access to those careers, the men in them greeted the incoming women with a spirit of generous cameraderie!

Wonder what's the deal with those special ops guys!

(For the very dense: )

Or find a new profession. The world is changing, and they need to deal with it.

or get the fuck out.

brute physical strength is a huge part of it.

The person with the highest constitution survives the longest in the infantry. You can be as strong as an ox, but without stamina you will not make it.

but strength is also required. Women could never pass the training to get into any of the special forces.

I remember years ago when St. Paul required more women to be firefighters. They could not get enough women into those jobs because they could not pass the physical tests. They ended up reducing the physical requirements for women.

I had strength and thought I had stamina...until I was put in light infantry. 6 mile runs up and down hills and the commander is bouncing around like an antelope. Way too happy imo. It killed me...now when it came time to hump 200 pounds into the field I was golden and would pay back my commander with a killer forced march speed. Then there were the 140 pd guys that could ruck 300 pounds and run 18 miles like they did it every fucking day.

I came of age at a time when joining the military was seen as something you had to do if you had no other options (late '70s to early 80s).

While I was never in the military, I knew something about strength and stamina. I was a Division I 190# wrestler. I was good in the wrestling room, I was goid in the weight room, I couldn't run for shit. (I suppose it would be different if I had a commander making me run. (Peer pressure and fear of failure are quite powerful in these situations.)

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Could you all kindly make up your fucking minds about how we're defective and can't do anything? Maybe run it through a focus group and come up with something less vague and hand-wavey than "mental toughness."

Maybe periods attracting bears. Or sharks, for SEALS. We all know you're all fucking terrified of periods anyhow.

Good, move aside...

Bet ya a dollar the men would sabatoge that!

You pictures prove the efficacy of androgens.

Safe, pharmaceutical grade testosterone, a simple solution to the inequality problem.

In fact, the high school ROTC programs should start the females on such a program in freshman year before the women's epihysial plates close, to allow those gals to grow bones as long and massive as males. But freshman year may be too late, perhaps pre puberty, antagonize estrogen and progesterone, and simply lay in the T.

Simple problem, simple solutions.

especially the last one. So why are Olympic records for men and women maintained separately? Oh yea, because all the men's strength records are around 35% higher than that of women. This isn't about women's rights, this about survival in a life or death situation, and the men don't want to put their lives in the hands of someone 35% less strong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_Olympic_weightlifting

And about 10% slower:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres

Why can women withstand more pain then guys, especially with giving birth? Tired of all the
misogynistic Bull pucky.

Women win in the life span and the giving birth contests. This is absolutely true.

Just like men win in the "I can pick up a super heavy guy and run him to safety" contest. Any other questions?

Like the US Marine corps can't build their bodies up to be sufficiently strong?


Meet a real US Marine.. ASK her to pick up a guys body and haul it away... I bet she could.

There is also a man that could do it between 10-30% faster. If someone is trying to kill me, and I had the choice, I would choose to get to safety 10-30% faster. What about you?

but secondly, our country finally got its head out of its ass, and allowed more women in the military than before, when other countries have had women in their military for far many years. You don't think they can fight? I once met a woman Navy fighter pilot, and gee.. she mentioned that women can take g's better in the cock pit than the average guys.. and in a fighter jet how much strength does it take to lock a missile and send it up the enemy's tail pipe? Want to talk about reflexes? There is that too... Some of the best marksmen were Russian women who were snipers. I can't believe all the BS about how women are not qualified enough to be warriors.

No kidding women are perfectly capable of being pilots. I would never say or think otherwise. An aviator's responsibilities are far different from navy SEALs. Either you cannot keep on subject or this is some kind of distraction.

Have you ever heard the word onna bugeisha ?? That was the term for women who fought along side SAMURAI in the early history of Japan.

They maybe were not strong, but they were skilled in the arts of war. They new how to use
a Tanto (knife) or Nihon To (katana), but were especially skilled in naginata.



From Wikipedia:
onna-bugeisha was a type of female warrior belonging to the Japanese nobility. Many women engaged in battle, commonly alongside samurai men. They were members of the bushi (samurai) class in feudal Japan and were trained in the use of weapons to protect their household, family, and honour in times of war. Significant icons such as Tomoe Gozen, Nakano Takeko, and Hōjō Masako are famous examples of onna bugeisha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onna-bugeisha

They were strong in the warrior spirit, and while a warrior may have preformed Seppuku the Onna Bugeisha would never hesitate to take their own life if they were about to be captured.
There are other ways to be strong in battle, and they were apart of the Samurai class.

It doesn't even matter. Please keep up with current events, we are in the year 2015

The subject is can WOMEN fight in a war, be it special ops or other wise. The answer is yes.
Its been proven with history, and its seen even today in other cultures. Not all of your NAVY seals are ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER muscle bound hulks, and if need be, a woman can be strong enough to do the job.

I'll pick a man that can beat her in physical strength

How about this...

check mate

I think she is better than he is... even he appreciated her for her fighting skills. She was no slouch. China was pretty misogynistic back than, there were few women warriors or were allowed to fight. Even zyi zhang's character had to learn from a stolen book the skills of gung fu
which was taken from a monastery by Jade Fox. The monks would never allow her to join.

One thing I learned in taking Martial Arts, is that size and strength doesn't matter. If its Judo a smaller person can beat a larger one. I know this for a fact, I did it. In Karate striking a vulnerable spot will double over the biggest strongest person. In Kendo, a swift fast strike can win a match. In Kenjitsu, a fast strike can disable the biggest strongest opponents.

Did you know that in Japan, in kendo, there are far more women enthusiasts than men? Its true.

And Li Mu Bai was considered a legendary fighter, unquestionably greater than Shu Lien.

So here we are, you betting on Shu Lien because she is a woman, and me betting on Li Mu Bai because he is better in the lore... check mate

He could say if Bruce Lee were alive he would knock Rhonda on her ass... The whole freaking thing is WOMEN CAN FIGHT, THEY CAN BE SOLIDERS... and warrors..

Yeah I know that was fantasy, with Michelle Yeoh and Ziyi Zhang, but the fighting skills are there to see. There are some women who are skilled in the art of War and have been down though the centuries. But you know, boys be boys...so they scoff and shake their heads
and say.. there will never be anyone who impresses them.

What're ya gonna do... that's why I love Kendo... a sport most Japanese women are doing more than men.

and Bruce lee would get demolished by Rhonda.

A lot Asian martial arts don't work in an actual fight and focus to much on worthless stand up techniques that are not effective and almost never practiced takedown defense. Back in the early days of the UFC when there were zero rules the kung fu/wing chung types would just get demolished because they had no take down defense and most of their stand up wasn't any more or less effective than your standard boxer. This was also a really fun era to watch as people usually just trained 1 type of school of martial arts so they fights were so different. (there was a sumo vs karate fight that was really funny)

Now everyone pretty much has some form of a jiu-jitsu/judo/boxing/muythai/karate combination because they have figured out the those 5 schools of martial arts are usually the most effective.

What Bruce Lee did differently was a free form of the traditional taught Kung Fu. You adapt your fighting skill for the unexpected. Bruce talked about being like water:

If you were to teleport Bruce Lee from the 60s/70s into a UFC ring today Rhonda would destroy him for a few reasons.

1) Rhonda is (was) a nation champion. She wakes up at 5 and does cardio / weight training / sparing until the sun goes down. Rhonda would have a MASSIVE athletic advantage over Bruce Lee. Even UFC experts today say the UFC champions of the early 2000s 1990s would get destroyed by current day champions because they didnt exercise as hard as UFC fighters do today. They would just run out of gas.
2) While Bruce Lee did practice martial arts, and did compete in his early years, his primary profession was not competing in fights against other people. It was primary instructional and theoretical sparing.

and finally and most importantly
3) Take down defense. Even though Bruce Lee practiced some judo I am willing to bet he would not know enough about preventing being taken down to the ground, because before jiu-jitsu/judo became massively popular in the UFC era, most people simply never practiced this. The expectation was you would stand up at shoulder length and perform kicks and punches.

The Gracie brothers from Brasil preached consistently about how kung fu only practiced punches and kicks and would constantly challenge kung fu experts for cash to expose this fatal weakness.

If you teleported bruce lee to 2015 and gave him a year to study he would have a much better chance, but Bruce Lee from the 60s 70s vs Rhonda in 2015 with no pre-training? he would get destroyed and it would look something like this:

I would go with Tony Jaa for obvious reasons... and i believe he could win.

Honestly, I have had girlfriends about that size. They were not very strong, but triathletes and Barre folkes. But pick up 200 lbs of unconscious dude? Not possible.

a 200 lb guy, but I bet she could lay him out on the floor, fast enough. As for picking up a 200 lb guy, there are some women who can. Pick one of the women from my posting above, I am sure they could. You be surprised what could happen.

Most 6th graders are larger.

I am not especially tough, but with a hobbit sized person attacking, let them get close and rag doll them.

But this is ridiculous. About ten years ago I was at the same party as this same woman. We did not speak. She is astonishingly beautiful. And very teeny tiny.

Or is it maybe that one does not have to set Olympic records to be able to serve in the special forces?

Very few are disputing that the percentage of the women who will be able to pass many of the physical demands will be lower than the men. The flip side is, give a chance, some may be able to pass the standards that have been set.

And IMO, when enough women pass the standards I believe an all-woman's special forces unit makes sense. The men don't need to worry about who can carry them to safety when shit hits the fan, and the women commandos will be able pick up one of their own and haul them back quickly, I believe it would work effectively

The military in general is an extremely misogynistic body.

If they can meet the same physical standard as the males. Then let them in.

But in the past they have always had separate PT formations and standards. When that created resentment they just lowered the standard.

complaining about "war crimes" and "dead women and children" and "the Geneva convention", I don't think women has what it takes to snipe dead another woman carrying her child across a street like Chris Kyle bragged about doing.

In special forces we need men capable of murdering women and children while the men watch. We also need to rape boys in front of their mothers too for some reason.

Not too many women are into that because they're not as strong as we men.

"It Pays to be a Winner" !

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Fine. Nobody is forced to be a ranger or special forces. Women can just take over and lead by example.

as they always adjust. A few well. Some, o.k. And some poorly.

Good to see you Rex.

can't stand working with women? join a monastery.

physical and mental strength? try childbirth, you jerks. mental strength? yah, because women have no brains. same patriarchal bullcrap we have been hearing for centuries. has never been true, so do, please, try to make it to the 21st century.

who cares which bathroom you go to?

sheeesh
(former S.O. foreign country)

men are not so mentally tough

Skittles is here...did you see my posts upstream? geesh... maybe if women were given the chance they could preform as well as the men, if not better in some cases.


geeze, even SUPERGIRL had to prove her worth while wearing the costume as all the men scoff.

oh yes

ew,.. yucky, no thank you.

not as tough

Arnold Schwarzenegger film where he was pregnant..

The difference between humans and apes is that we developed tools. A lever is one of them.

Tools just need to be redesigned for women. Sports equipment is constantly made lighter all the time. There are tools that people use to lift heavier people.

Nurses move heavy guys all the time.
There are techniques to lift heavy things or you redesign it.

What's the big deal.