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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:31 PM Dec 2015

71% Of 17-24 Year Olds Would Not Qualify For Military. Pentagon.

According to an article posted on Facebook from original article in Time.com 71% of our youth would NOT qualify for military service for various reasons including health, drug use, tattoos etc. So much for any draft law.

The nation really is going downhill. We may not even be able to field a military the way we are going.

PS. When I was drafted in 1967 just about everyone was skinny including me. LOL. Can't say that now.

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71% Of 17-24 Year Olds Would Not Qualify For Military. Pentagon. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Dec 2015 OP
Good, maybe we can scale back the Pentagon's budget now! n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #1
Tattoos? Back in my military days (1966-68) upaloopa Dec 2015 #2
Yeah, that seems a little nit-picky Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2015 #6
This ^^^^^^^ treestar Dec 2015 #23
It might have to do with the nature and location of the tattoos. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #12
The most nit picky ones are usually job specific GummyBearz Dec 2015 #20
That's why the military has waivers. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #3
I suspect if a draft were necessary standards would change whatthehey Dec 2015 #4
or casual pot-smoking, etc... renegade000 Dec 2015 #5
the military, which is a gang itself, does not like gang tatoos nt msongs Dec 2015 #9
They'll lower requirements gwheezie Dec 2015 #7
Not buying that 71% garbage. GOLGO 13 Dec 2015 #8
The recruiters drove my stepkid bananas Mariana Dec 2015 #13
They didn't provide an opt-out form? Ilsa Dec 2015 #26
This was some years ago. Mariana Dec 2015 #28
Parents opt out their kids? TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #31
So our kids should stay in shape to fight some fucking war? NaturalHigh Dec 2015 #10
Future wars will be fought on laptops. Initech Dec 2015 #16
tattoos? Matariki Dec 2015 #11
If that is true, and the draft is coming back, I'll be investing in tatoo parlors. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #17
I can't believe it would have meant anything in the past muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #19
It didn't seem to mean anything when I was in. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #21
I look at this in two different ways: Initech Dec 2015 #14
The military today can afford to be more selective. MineralMan Dec 2015 #15
War has changed. We no longer need raw infantry by the thousands NightWatcher Dec 2015 #18
Why would tattoos be at all relevant? Quantess Dec 2015 #22
Tattoos can signal gang affiliation, swastikas or 23/16 tats just might pose a problem . . . hatrack Dec 2015 #24
Okay. But still, it's 2015 and tattoos are popular with about half the US population. Quantess Dec 2015 #25
Grandpa! I vaguely resemble that remark! hatrack Dec 2015 #27
I didn't mean YOU, silly! Quantess Dec 2015 #29
From what I hear about that many don't even qualify for a job period. I am not saying doc03 Dec 2015 #30
Physicals to do what? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #33
Well to work in a steel mill you have to have some physical ability probably doc03 Dec 2015 #34
I can understand the drugs part. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #35
I can understand that, I have battled with my weight all my life. doc03 Dec 2015 #37
Back in 1966 when I got drafted I was obese and had a bad knee doc03 Dec 2015 #36
Let's get those numbers up! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #32
Not to worry. I doubt that they want to. jwirr Dec 2015 #38

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. Tattoos? Back in my military days (1966-68)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:35 PM
Dec 2015

being in the service was the reason to get tattoos.

A bunch of guys getting drunk at a strip club then off to the tatoo parlor.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
6. Yeah, that seems a little nit-picky
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:41 PM
Dec 2015

to not take someone because they have tattoos. Seems like they don't need people all that badly if they can be that picky.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
12. It might have to do with the nature and location of the tattoos.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

My guess is neck/face disqualifies as well as some brands of content, racist tattoos for example....

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
20. The most nit picky ones are usually job specific
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:09 PM
Dec 2015

You can't have any tattoo if you want to be a nuke technician on the nuclear powered submarines. Or at least that was the case as of 6 years ago

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
3. That's why the military has waivers.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:36 PM
Dec 2015

When I came in, I had a whole stack of them, mostly for misdemeanor offenses from my youth and being 2 lbs over the weight limit for my height (boot camp took care of that).

In times of need, the military will waive these prohibitions.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
4. I suspect if a draft were necessary standards would change
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:37 PM
Dec 2015

Certainly for non effectiveness related issues like tattoos.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
7. They'll lower requirements
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:55 PM
Dec 2015

My uncle tried to join the army and was turned down for being blind in one eye. When we got involved in ww2, they took him.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
8. Not buying that 71% garbage.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

Lots of good kids out there are too damn smart to want to sign up now for the military. Your about close to 100% guaranteed to get shipped to a war zone at least once in a 4yr span. As a Marine vet, I talked near about a dozen kids out of joining.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
13. The recruiters drove my stepkid bananas
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

when she was a senior in high school. Calling the house again and again, knocking at the door, even lurking at the bus stop (I was in the Navy right out of high school, they didn't want me around when they were talking to her). She hadn't applied for any colleges, you see, so they figured she was easy bait. Not so, she had firm plans to go live with my parents in another state after graduation, work until she'd established residency, and then go to college there. All of which she did.

Ilsa

(61,696 posts)
26. They didn't provide an opt-out form?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

I opted-out my oldest son, and will do the same for the 2nd. I don't want recruiters filling his head with bullshit at such an impressionable age.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
28. This was some years ago.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:32 PM
Dec 2015

I think it was before the opt out forms, and if it wasn't we didn't know about them then. We did opt out our younger daughter and she was left alone.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
31. Parents opt out their kids?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:40 PM
Dec 2015

I'm pretty sure that's against the law if your child is 18 years of age or older.

Hell, technically, it's against the law for me to open my son's report card. And to that I say, the school district can house him and feed him. haha (Just kidding. I love that kid!)

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
10. So our kids should stay in shape to fight some fucking war?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:23 PM
Dec 2015

BS. I don't think so.

I guarantee you that when the next war starts, a lot of kids with tattoos will be recruited.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
19. I can't believe it would have meant anything in the past
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

Otherwise it would have been used during Vietnam. And I can't see why they'd think it relevant now.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
21. It didn't seem to mean anything when I was in.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

If I thought getting a tatoo would get me out, I'd have been first in line for one.

Initech

(100,097 posts)
14. I look at this in two different ways:
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:56 PM
Dec 2015

1. Generation after generation of increasingly out of shape kids means that less people enter the military and thus all wars will end much sooner than expected.

2. The military employs a real life Howard Stark who oversees development of a real life super soldier serum. Come, let’s make Captain America a reality! USA! USA! USA! USA!

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
15. The military today can afford to be more selective.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:57 PM
Dec 2015

Downsizing of the forces, etc. Back in the days of the draft, they were far less selective. If there was ever a need for a draft again, a lot more people would qualify than do for an all-volunteer military, I guarantee.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
18. War has changed. We no longer need raw infantry by the thousands
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

We don't march ranks of bayonet wielding cannon fodder into opposing ranks of our enemies.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
24. Tattoos can signal gang affiliation, swastikas or 23/16 tats just might pose a problem . . .
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

They don't want an excuse for recruits or service members to fight one another.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
25. Okay. But still, it's 2015 and tattoos are popular with about half the US population.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:25 PM
Dec 2015

Most tattooed people got theirs because they think they're cool. The military needs to get with the times, grandpa!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
29. I didn't mean YOU, silly!
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:33 PM
Dec 2015

I meant the military brass who make the rules. But if the shoe fits....

doc03

(35,361 posts)
30. From what I hear about that many don't even qualify for a job period. I am not saying
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015

the generation is all bad. I know of one time according to our HR person that out of 100 applicants
only 20 something passed the physicals. The main reasons were obesity and drug use. Then of the ones they did
hire very few had any kind of work ethic. I think why it was so bad here was the kids that had any kind of
work ethic either went on to school or went elsewhere for a good job. So we were sort of stuck with the bottom of the barrel.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
33. Physicals to do what?
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

A lot of us fat folks are still capable of doing all sorts of work, and actually letting us get jobs often causes us to lose weight.

doc03

(35,361 posts)
34. Well to work in a steel mill you have to have some physical ability probably
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:00 PM
Dec 2015

the health insurance company has the most say so in physical requirements. You can't have people
running heavy equipment high on drugs.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
35. I can understand the drugs part.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:04 PM
Dec 2015

But I gain weight when I'm unemployed (in jobs that aren't just desk jobs) - a lot of it, and tend to lose it again when I'm employed. If everybody starts axing people simply for being heavy, I'll never get hired on to a job that will actually cause me to lose the weight and meet their standards.

Nasty little catch 22.

doc03

(35,361 posts)
37. I can understand that, I have battled with my weight all my life.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

I finally got it under control when I joined a gym and work out 3 to 5 days a week. Of course a gym membership takes money so there is another Catch 22.

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