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DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:28 PM May 2012

American heads are getting larger

Physically. This isn't a sociological or political comment.

White Americans' heads are getting bigger. That's according to research by forensic anthropologists at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville.

Lee Jantz, coordinator of UT's Forensic Anthropology Center (FAC); Richard Jantz, professor emeritus and former director of the FAC; and Joanne Devlin, adjunct assistant professor, examined 1,500 skulls dating back to the mid-1800s through the mid-1980s. They noticed U.S. skulls have become larger, taller and narrower as seen from the front and faces have become significantly narrower and higher.


http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-05/uota-uot053012.php
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American heads are getting larger (Original Post) DavidDvorkin May 2012 OP
Devolution? YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #1
Why would larger skulls be an indication of de-evolution? EOTE May 2012 #15
Didn't Neandertals have larger skulls? YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #16
Yes, but a lower encephalization quotient. EOTE May 2012 #17
So, as I have suspected... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #24
Dolphins have been found killing for what can only be described as fun 4th law of robotics May 2012 #27
I had not heard that. YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #28
Pretty sure 4th law of robotics May 2012 #31
Careful... Whiskeytide May 2012 #36
! blue neen May 2012 #42
In simplified terms, it's the ratio of brain mass to body size. EOTE May 2012 #29
Dolphins evolve opposable thumbs: 4th law of robotics May 2012 #37
Question is, are the larger heads filled with brains or sawdust? meow2u3 May 2012 #2
"Oh we're evolving allright" he said. "But into what?" nt Poll_Blind May 2012 #3
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder: DCKit May 2012 #4
Our whole bodies have been getting bigger and taller ErikJ May 2012 #5
Nutrition is the likely answer. TheWraith May 2012 #7
Changes in nutrition have caused people to get larger in various countries DavidDvorkin May 2012 #8
More likely C-sections Frosty1 May 2012 #19
Good point. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #41
We're evolving into... Amercians! Bucky May 2012 #6
bigger doesn't necessarily mean smarter notadmblnd May 2012 #9
Yes. Neandertals heads bigger than Modern man's ErikJ May 2012 #30
Will there be a tipping point? Democrats_win May 2012 #10
Maybe it's an optical illusion based on the size of American brains. Bucky May 2012 #11
So are their asses... EnviroBat May 2012 #12
Oh, that is so true DavidDvorkin May 2012 #13
For most Republicans, they are one and the same. smirkymonkey May 2012 #20
I can't find hats big enough to go around my head. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #14
FREAK! Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #26
Good for a laugh!! WHY BE NORMAL is my motto. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #32
Yes, it does mean you're smart. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #33
It is true that brain size and IQ are not related. Manifestor_of_Light May 2012 #40
I feel your pain 4th law of robotics May 2012 #38
This "trend" must have started before I was born... stlsaxman May 2012 #18
It should read 'White Americans' heads are getting larger' as that is what the report says. jp11 May 2012 #21
Just when I thought I had gotten the Jebster out of my consciousness ... lpbk2713 May 2012 #22
Is it that the population is growing older? aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #23
Strongly believe that Americans are losing their frontal lobes and are developing Skidmore May 2012 #25
"Lobes in other places..." woo me with science May 2012 #35
You get a good sense of this when you buy clothes directly from Asia and India JCMach1 May 2012 #34
Maybe it's because their brains are getting bigger. n/t RebelOne May 2012 #39

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
15. Why would larger skulls be an indication of de-evolution?
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:06 PM
May 2012

Considering that a higher ratio of brain mass to nerve mass is usually indicative of intelligence.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
17. Yes, but a lower encephalization quotient.
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:01 PM
May 2012

Which is what attempts to provide a rough guess as to the potential for intelligence in any animal. All other things being equal, however, as brains (and cranial cavities) get larger, the potential for intelligence increases as well.

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
24. So, as I have suspected...
Wed May 30, 2012, 06:15 PM
May 2012

...there are animals with larger skulls who have a larger intelligence than humans? I mean, they only kill to eat, we kill over dirt and whose god has a bigger penis. They don't kill because they like it. Although, sharks make you wonder...

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
29. In simplified terms, it's the ratio of brain mass to body size.
Wed May 30, 2012, 06:34 PM
May 2012

But there are a lot of problems with that particular formula, so the Encephalization Quotient was created. We're still top dogs in terms of intelligence, it's just that what we've done with that intelligence has been pretty damned stupid. If dolphins ever evolve opposable thumbs, however, we're pretty much all fucked.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
5. Our whole bodies have been getting bigger and taller
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:42 PM
May 2012

I think the average height 150 yrs ago was at least 6 inches shorter than now. I think its due to better nutrition or protein etc. Or maybe beef growth hormones?

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
7. Nutrition is the likely answer.
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
May 2012

Most people up until the mid-20th century didn't have access to a full spectrum of nutrition, particularly in the winter and particularly if you were poor.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
8. Changes in nutrition have caused people to get larger in various countries
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:50 PM
May 2012

But I don't think it generally causes the kinds of skull changes the article talks about.

Frosty1

(1,823 posts)
19. More likely C-sections
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:29 PM
May 2012

A Cesarean section allows big headed babies to survive and pass on their genes. In the past these babies would not have survived.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
41. Good point.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:09 PM
May 2012

Also permits women with small pelves (like me) to survive and reproduce.

Apparently some midwives think that ALL babies can be delivered vaginally if they are just able to "turn them". I got news for those people. It is not true.

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
10. Will there be a tipping point?
Wed May 30, 2012, 02:52 PM
May 2012

Our heads will be so large that we just tip over and die. Or will other factors win out first? Will we become easy prey for other animals? Will our procreation abilities shrink to the point of no return and we'll just fade away?

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
14. I can't find hats big enough to go around my head.
Wed May 30, 2012, 03:01 PM
May 2012

I am a petite female and it takes 24 inches circumference.
Some of it is hair. I have a lot of hair, but most of it is skull.

Beats me.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
32. Good for a laugh!! WHY BE NORMAL is my motto.
Thu May 31, 2012, 02:32 PM
May 2012

Oh and I'm smart enough to be in Mensa and then some, allegedly. If you believe IQ tests.
I scored 3 SDs above average on a Stanford-Binet when I was five years old, which is 145. That's one out of a thousand people. Mensa is only 2 SDs which is 130, which is top 2%.

Whatever. It doesn't mean I'm smart, it means I have a good memory and a head full of trivia.

At the Texas Renaissance Festival I saw a silk velvet hat that just fascinated me in its construction. The lady had berets too, but these had a round crown and then wedge sections gathered together under it. It was the House of Dra.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
33. Yes, it does mean you're smart.
Thu May 31, 2012, 03:08 PM
May 2012

Although the size of your cranium has nothing to do with that. It is also true that smart "don't count fer shit" here in amurika, in fact it is usually a burden.

But hey, it's still better than the alternative, right?

Peace. Now.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
40. It is true that brain size and IQ are not related.
Thu May 31, 2012, 11:06 PM
May 2012

Being smart is a burden in America. Yup, you got it.
It's like Idiocracy. Luke Wilson used proper grammar and got called "gay" for it.


Around here in Texas, people have problems with verbs and past perfect tenses, as in "I seen" and "I done" and "I done gone".

They think all past tenses have -ed on the end and don't know about verbs that change internally.

The other night on the ABC Nightly News they used the words "The Propsal" about a story where a guy got his friends to lip sync and dance to a song.

Don't get me started on apostrophe abuse.


 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
38. I feel your pain
Thu May 31, 2012, 04:08 PM
May 2012

I had a professional hatter tell me "no this size will definitely fit you . . . " about three times in a row before he gave up.

Good thing I'm not a huge fan of hats. . .

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
18. This "trend" must have started before I was born...
Wed May 30, 2012, 04:05 PM
May 2012

I'm 54 and i can't find a "Size 9 Oblong" hat to save my life.


Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
25. Strongly believe that Americans are losing their frontal lobes and are developing
Wed May 30, 2012, 06:21 PM
May 2012

lobes in other places to serve as the location for inflated egos.

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
34. You get a good sense of this when you buy clothes directly from Asia and India
Thu May 31, 2012, 03:08 PM
May 2012

Sometimes my big-headed American family simply can't get our heads through some of the clothing.

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