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Ugh! Does the U.S.S. Enterprise have to be destroyed in every new ST movie now? (Original Post) ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 OP
Doesn't hold a candle to Star Trek V or Star Trek: Nemesis, does it? Orrex Dec 2015 #1
Gotta get through the alphabet somehow. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #2
You mean have a good premise to work off of like the original Wraith of Khan? Rex Dec 2015 #3
You're right about STNG, then the very first NG movie, dead ship! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #4
Yeah the movies were just a matter of waiting for the ship to plow into a city etc.. Rex Dec 2015 #21
As far as I recall, the ship has only "died" twice Orrex Dec 2015 #7
The TV series yes, the movies no. Rex Dec 2015 #20
Their starship insurance premiums must be through the roof! Heeeeers Johnny Dec 2015 #5
I hear they're underwritten by Lloyd's of Rigel 7 Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #22
Lol. True Liberal_in_LA Dec 2015 #37
I'm game and can't wait Iliyah Dec 2015 #6
Well since this is an alternate universe MattBaggins Dec 2015 #8
I like Star Trek, I like the Beastie Boys. I do not like this trailer. Nailzberg Dec 2015 #9
They used one of their songs in the first reboot (2009) Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #11
The same song. Orsino Dec 2015 #24
Peculiar since of the many "Enterprise" ships operated by the Navy... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #10
Didn't one of the HMS Enterprises hit a mine and sink? Glassunion Dec 2015 #13
HMS would mean the vessel was British. The only two iterations of Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #44
You are just wrong... Wrong, wrong, wrong... Glassunion Dec 2015 #12
Technically, you're right. My point is the ship is always getting messed up or destroyed yet... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #15
That's what the TV shows are for. Glassunion Dec 2015 #17
Holy shit!! Do you post on Star Trek Youtube videos? You just said (in your last couple of posts) ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #18
No I've never commented on a Star Trek video on you tube. Glassunion Dec 2015 #19
Yeh, whatever happened to their shields? Aren't those there to protect the hull? Bucky Dec 2015 #26
They have shields but they require a lot of power. It weakens as it take hits and eventually they... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #27
Given the frequency of this "shredding" it seems they need some major redesigning Bucky Dec 2015 #29
But, on the other hand, Scotty is smart enough to have devised the formula for transwarp beaming... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #30
Wait, didn't they already come up with a personal-sized intersteller transporter in the 2nd movie? Bucky Dec 2015 #31
No one ryan_cats Dec 2015 #39
Wait! Wait! Spoiler alert elias49 Dec 2015 #14
A trailer spoiler!!1!! I'm such an asshole! nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #16
I had the same reaction. Kermitt Gribble Dec 2015 #23
Scotty said in Into Darkness: "I thought we were explorers!" I agree with him. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #25
Just saw the trailer Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2015 #28
Well they just don't build them like the NSEA Protector anymore Monk06 Dec 2015 #32
Why are people messing with the historical documents? n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #33
What are all these choppy things doing in a hallway? This episode was badly written!! The person Monk06 Dec 2015 #34
I was glad to see that Guy Fleegman got a last name in the remakes. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #35
And Laliari got a job on the remake too Monk06 Dec 2015 #36
It's not Sulu's fault! SwankyXomb Dec 2015 #38
Haha, I came across a vid the other days of all of JJ's lens flares from ST2009 - it's 8-1/2 mins! ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #41
That's a horrible trailer, but I loved the last two movies. /nt Marr Dec 2015 #40
Do I have to care? Atman Dec 2015 #42
I'm hardly a fanboy, lol. I missed all of DS9 and Voyager. I never had a fanboy card, much less am ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #43
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. You mean have a good premise to work off of like the original Wraith of Khan?
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:02 PM
Dec 2015

Or the one where the space whales are going to drown the earth? I agree, when the Enterprise dies in the original series it is a big deal. STNG made if forever without blowing up the ship...then the movies started coming out and the Enterprise died almost each movie.

Now it seems to be 'a thing' for the ship to die in every movie. A testament to our throw away society imo.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Yeah the movies were just a matter of waiting for the ship to plow into a city etc..
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:33 AM
Dec 2015

The reboot seems to be having some fun with it to.

Orrex

(63,225 posts)
7. As far as I recall, the ship has only "died" twice
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

Star Trek III and Star Trek: Generations. Otherwise it's been damaged but not destroyed, and this is pretty consistent with ST:TNG.

Nailzberg

(4,610 posts)
9. I like Star Trek, I like the Beastie Boys. I do not like this trailer.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 05:26 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think pop music goes along with Star Trek in the first place. But secondly, nothing better to freshen up a franchise than a 20 year old song.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
10. Peculiar since of the many "Enterprise" ships operated by the Navy...
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:23 PM
Dec 2015

only two were lost to "operational" hazards (ran aground), and none to combat.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
44. HMS would mean the vessel was British. The only two iterations of
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:15 PM
Dec 2015

the Enterprise I know of which escaped being broken up in the usual manner had run aground; one of these was destroyed to prevent falling into enemy hands, iirc.

The "Big E" (No. 6) was the celebrated carrier of WW II which suffered bombings and I believe torpedo attacks, but lived to fight again. It too was broken up in 1958-60.
It was part of the trio of carriers which sunk four big Japanese carriers at Midway, using dive bombers. Only Yorktown of the U.S. carriers was lost.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
12. You are just wrong... Wrong, wrong, wrong...
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

This would apparently be the first time in the new ST movies that the ship gets destroyed.

Now indeed in the first two, that ship got pretty screwed up, but it was not destroyed. In fact, as you can clearly see the NCC-1701 on the top of the ship as it flies by in the trailer. This is still the same (as yet) un-destroyed ship they have been flying since the first new ST came out.

Now in the first two movies the ship did take a beating, however it came through not destroyed in both.

This is an entirely new timeline, so the old movie ST stuff is not going to happen. However, in both timelines, Khan did kill one of the crew (Kirk and Spock). So why wouldn't the ole NCC-1701 get destroyed in a movie like they did in ST III? How cool will it be to see the next in line of the Constitution class ships - NCC-1701-A and 1701-B (Sulu commanded this one)?

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
15. Technically, you're right. My point is the ship is always getting messed up or destroyed yet...
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:02 PM
Dec 2015

...they are supposed to be on a mission of discovery, not war, where the ship is a/the defacto victim. I'd like to see stories that are more in the Star Trek spirit of peace and discovery and inclusion and diplomacy and humanitarianism. Fine, you can make lots of flash and drama and make lasers blow shit up, including the beloved Enterprise, but how about telling a story of the exploratory aspects of the UFP for a change?

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
17. That's what the TV shows are for.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:04 PM
Dec 2015

The movies have to be a bit larger and have more drama.

No worries, CBS is bringing the TV show back in about a year.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
18. Holy shit!! Do you post on Star Trek Youtube videos? You just said (in your last couple of posts)
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:11 PM
Dec 2015

...almost the exact same wording I was reading yesterday when I decided that Star Trek is how I would spend DU down time yesterday. So I was on Youtube all day watching and reading and I swear...exact same wording about the non-war stories being on TV and the blowing shit up is for the movies.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
19. No I've never commented on a Star Trek video on you tube.
Mon Dec 14, 2015, 07:31 PM
Dec 2015

Well... I did post a comment on the trailer for Into Darkness... I believe I commented "FAKE!"

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
27. They have shields but they require a lot of power. It weakens as it take hits and eventually they...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:07 PM
Dec 2015

...must divert power from other systems to keep the shields up. After a sustained assault, and no more power, the shields fail and the ship gets shredded.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
29. Given the frequency of this "shredding" it seems they need some major redesigning
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:12 PM
Dec 2015

Given how badly the Enterprise gets fucked up even couple of years or so, you'd think they'd fire Scotty and hire an engineer who can plan ahead for a safe ship instead of that constant improvisational jerry-rigging the dude's notorious for.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
30. But, on the other hand, Scotty is smart enough to have devised the formula for transwarp beaming...
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:16 PM
Dec 2015

...and then schooled Spock on it.

Sooooooo.....

But I get your point, too.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
31. Wait, didn't they already come up with a personal-sized intersteller transporter in the 2nd movie?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:19 PM
Dec 2015

I honestly don't think they really need an Enterprise any more. Just need to rename the franchise "Star Popover"

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
39. No one
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:09 PM
Dec 2015

No one wants this.
I'd like to see stories that are more in the Star Trek spirit of peace and discovery and inclusion and diplomacy and humanitarianism.

The first Star Wars had thrilling trade disputes and riveting Senate action and we know how that turned out.

Blow things up!!!

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
23. I had the same reaction.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

From the trailer, it seems the ship may be destroyed at the beginning of the movie, which is very disappointing.

Many comments on social media are calling this Fast & Furious in Space.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
25. Scotty said in Into Darkness: "I thought we were explorers!" I agree with him.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

I want to see them get back to exploration and discovery and stop ripping the shit to shreds with every new movie.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
28. Just saw the trailer
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:09 PM
Dec 2015

Not quite sure what to think of it. I wasn't thrilled with it, particularly but the Enterprise has gotten severely damaged in just about every nuTrek movie. Last movie, it was out of power and plummeting to the ground. I think that the directors/producers think that they have to keep "upping the ante" every movie. I can't say that I mind them replacing the Enterprise every once in awhile. I thought that its destruction made sense (and served a purpose) in the context of TOS Star Trek III. I wasn't expecting them to destroy the Enterprise-D in Generations but it didn't bother me.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
34. What are all these choppy things doing in a hallway? This episode was badly written!! The person
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

who wrote this episode should die!!

Almost every line in Galaxy Quest is golden

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
38. It's not Sulu's fault!
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

He was blinded by all the lens flares and steered the ship into a planet of tree people.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
42. Do I have to care?
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:55 PM
Dec 2015

I enjoy watching the movies. Blow shit up. Spock stuff. Phasers. Just dig it and don't be so obsessed with the Fanboy bullshit.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
43. I'm hardly a fanboy, lol. I missed all of DS9 and Voyager. I never had a fanboy card, much less am
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

I obsessed.

But thanks for your comment...anyways.

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