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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow is it Democratic
democratic, liberal, or progressive to actively advocate the stripping of civil rights or liberties without due process?
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)without giving her a heads-up?
Or is this just another gun thread?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)What does that have to do with anything?
No, this is about an unbelievable advocacy gor undemocratic policy.
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)It's about the no fly list and gun rights, right?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Or adding other undesirables to the list. This is the Bush/Cheney/Rummy list...
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)I support it anyway?
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)Which explains, quite entirely, the few creative pretenses you will encounter, amongst the sea of silence.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Response to pipoman (Reply #9)
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Shandris
(3,447 posts)There's no such thing as a democracy (nor can there be). The Asch experiments show that roughly 30 percent of the populace will follow the crowd no matter what. The crowd is the media. It only takes a majority of a subgroup to control a group, and it only takes it twice to control a two-party populace. Keep that percentage in mind, it becomes important real soon.
Like this. Take Democrats. We generally listen to the media and on social issues, we side with them. Not unexpectedly, so does the rest of most of America. But let's assume they didn't. Let's pretend our nation is split half and half.
To control the R half, I must own 51% of the R's. That, however, is only now 26% of the populace. Likewise with the D's. Now you have D(26) and R(26). Now, in the general election, DvR will come down to one side or another, but in the end all I needed to take it was the original 26% of the populace. Remember, this is when the group is only two subgroups. Divide it even further and you'll soon see it takes a TINY amount of the populace to determine all 'democratic' outcomes. You only need a majority of the subgroup beneath the one you want to control, and you can start anywhere down the line.
IOW, there IS no democracy and of course it's undemocratic to do so, but it's a little lie we tell ourselves to pretend we still actually matter.
Also, a quick gander over those numbers shows Trump has literally no chance of winning barring some catastrophic failure on the part of the President or the media. Anyone terrified of him is just giving the media advertising dollars for the clickbait scaremongering.