...till they ain't.

Isn't this one of the good guys? He walks the streets with a gun because of you dumbasses.

need to calm down man. This perpetual outrage can't be good for your blood pressure.

I see it often from the fascist types, curious that. Falsely claiming you are upset when it is they that are seething. Now go defend that fuckstick. Always amusing to see you gumbies in action.

come on now - this is an internet discussion forum. Certainly nothing here is worth getting angry over.

And as a gun owner, I certainly have nothing to get upset about - especially if people like you are my only concern when it comes to gun rights.

...ignore the hack89.

What's the problem?

He won't be carrying a gun any more...

a firearm.

etc.

Now you just need to come up with the right words that can be put into the laws as a standard that can be judged.

committed would that prevent you from getting a CC permit or possibly own guns. That seems to be a problem.

He was a retired cop, extensive experience with weapons and their safety. Besides, after he retired, he probably felt nake and vulnerable without his metal binkie at his side, poor guy needed his binkie.

Besides, you just described about 75% of the males I've ever known. They stay out of trouble because they've learned to struggle with that stuff but the control seems difficult for them.

At least this jerk didn't shoot the guy who told him to stop being a jerk. His impulse control is partly operational. He does need his guns taken away, though. He'll get used to living without them. He'll probably stop being a jerk without a gun to back him up.

but if an adult acts like that, something is wrong, pathologically wrong, and they should be in some type of therapy.

Read it again.

handguns? It seems to be an unnecessary risk.

group of people? There are 80-100 million gun owners. 99.9 percent of them do not commit crimes with their firearms.

Can you name anything else you have the right to own that's in the Constitution? Seems anachronistic and odd.

It seems you have a problem with the bill of rights. That list makes America special and no other country in the world guarantees their citizens this. It's a dang good document. Proof? We are the only country where people from all over the world flock to.

Also, the Constitution is a decent document, has some good things in it, some bad things in it, many amendments, many more will be added as needed, but I certainly don't view it as sacred. The Bill of Rights, in general is a good idea, but that doesn't mean everything in it was a good idea, even at the time, nor does it mean they should remain untouchable when circumstances and times change. The obvious example is the 2nd amendment, how do you justify it existing and being in force in today's world? And no, just proclaiming your "right" to owning guns isn't enough. What reason do you have to own guns, why should it be considered a civil right?

However the rest of your reply is correct. I never looked at it that way but will now.

we are a large country with plenty of cheap land and decent enough infrastructure to help people provide decent living for themselves. Per capita, other countries accept more.

Also, I would hazard a guess and say that the Bill of Rights is a selling point, but for most immigrants, gun ownership isn't necessarily on the table, and may be a reason to hesitate to immigrate at all. Particularly those from other industrialized nations. But the fact is that most immigrants come here for economic reasons and family ties, excluding political refugees, of course.

of gun ownership in this country.

Right now, and this is tentative, but the evidence suggests that the cost is greater than the benefit. This may be incomplete, or not completely accurate, more research needs to be done. And yes, if the data holds up, we should reevaluate gun ownership in general and the utility of the 2nd amendment.

Think of the other amendments that we talk about, the right to free speech, the freedom of conscience, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures, the right to a trial by a jury of your peers, along with a speedy trial, the right to not incriminate ourselves. All of these are ideas that can still be reasonably defended using evidence and material outside the Constitution itself, we can see the results of having these freedoms, and also, using much of the rest of the world as examples of what happens without those freedoms, we can see the oppression and persecution that's brought about.

With the Second Amendment, can we do the same?

Mr. Kaufman was just standing his ground, legally exercising his Second and First Amendment rights, that's all! I thought you hippie libruls liked the First Amendment, but I guess that's only as long as people are saying, "Drugs are groovy" or "Kill the pigs," right?

The 60s are over? Been over for a long time, actually. Nobody says "groovy" anymore.

how to deal with other human beings so as soon as anyone questions them they pull the 'I've got a gun cuz I'm so manly' bullshit.

This is why there should be NO open carry, or concealed for that matter, imo.

FUCK THE NRA AND ALL ITS SUPPORTERS. THIS SHIT NEEDS TO STOP YESTERDAY!

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I carried a .45 at Applebee's yesterday. Caused no problems what so ever. And this jerk just proved why he is no longer a cop.

I will not depend on a criminal's benevolence to insure that I, will get back home from work (or anywhere else for that matter) to my wife and kids at night. And no one is none the wiser for it.

I will depend on my skill.

Looking forward to seeing the new Star Wars movie!

Exhibiting this level of irrational fear should prevent you from owning and carrying a firearm.

I just like being prepared.

speaking than having some stranger pose a threat to you or them.

ON EDIT: I really don't understand why you feel you need to have a gun on you at all times. It just seems extremely irrational.

But to each his/her own.

have a gun. Those are just the facts:

http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1814426


Could this meta-analysis be wrong, possibly, but its worth exploring. You claim you want to be able to defend your loved ones effectively, but are you? Evidence suggests no, you are not, but you are instead risking the safety of your family and others around you for other reasons. But you certainly can't claim they are rational reasons when there is little evidence to support your initial assertion.

I have the most serious outlook on this, and have gave it much thought years ago, when I made the decision to start carrying a sidearm. Those studies mean NOTHING in the real world, and real world experience tells me the exact opposite.

I can assure you, I am highly capable of doing such. As I said, to each his/her own, now excuse me, I must travel to Charlotte Douglas international airport for work tonight.

on the planet, everyone overestimates their abilities. In addition, you discount these studies for no other reason than your subjective experience, that tells me that your belief that carrying a gun is effective in protecting your family is more important than the evidence to the contrary. No different than a climate change denier or a creationist, just on a different subject.

sword everywhere I can "open carry" or my 6 inch dagger under my clothes, I would be branded a little odd if not unstable by most of society. More importantly, I don't have a need to carry such weapons around, I don't fear the outside world enough to think I will have to use them to protect myself.

ever having owned a weapon of any kind (unless you count kitchen knives ). I really can't imagine what it must be like to live with that level of fear and paranoia. Very stressful, I would think.

want to work at it, but I got them for the looks.

a six inch dagger under my clothes or walk around with my sword cane. In many states a concealed carry license only need applies to firearms.

I should use a cane because I am a candidate for a hip replacement and also have degenerative disk disease. Even if I decide to, I will probably use a lighter cane than my sword cane.

But I do carry a fixed blade knife under my clothes at all times, is an ESEE Izula II with. A 2 5/8" blade. I wear it as a neck knife slung cross draw under my left shoulder. For me it's simply a tool that I use many times through the day to cut cardboard boxes, peel fruit, slice meat etc. I used to carry a pocket knife to do the same thing but I like this little knife better. For one thing it's far easier to clean than a folding pocket knife.

I have a Swiss Army knife, but I find it too cumbersome and the various tools and blades get stuck when trying to pull them out. I have a small collection of fixed blade knives that I inherited that are more practical, still don't carry one around.

Though I do wonder how people would react to my 8" leaf blade knife, impractical as all hell, but looks cool on a wall.

It's one of my hobbies.

I will disagree with you on firearms as I feel they are also a tool and can have different uses.

I now live in a rural area and many people hunt deer and hog here. The county I live in is one of the poorest in the nation so hunting provides a good source of meat for many families here.

For many years I enjoyed target shooting with handguns. It's a challenging hobby but like many I found a certain zen in target shooting.

I lived in Florida for a few years. There's a reason I left, largely due to Florida men.

his fucking outrage.

Puke fuck MEN, rightwing men who act like this just boil my ass.

"Instead, make society more fearful and dangerous and full of bullies"

There are a LOT of gun owners in Florida. What if he would have tried that "I'm going to shoot you with this gun" shit on another concealed carrier?

Because the other person could have legally shot this guy for threatening him...this is the "Stand Your Ground" state of Florida after all...


/facepalm

Let's bring duels back and the problem will take care of itself.

for police and retired police.

Former cop...all that training.

You see if you do what Australia or Britain or Canada does, then even cops dont have to have guns.

Now I admit I dont know about Canada or Australia, but I would assume if nobody else has a gun there is no reason for the cops to.

Sure, they would have guns, but not all of them would carry them, no reason to.

It is hard to imagine, I know, a society where guns simply arent part of the equation.

But that day will come, not in our lifetimes but it will come

So,they and law enforcement get all the guns. There are cops in the UK that have firearms but they are not he ones on the street.

A day will come when guns are not wanted be people but I fear it is because they were replaced by something just as deadly, easier to use, and more affordable.

From the Houston Chronicle online:


Florida man biking in French maid outfit among 95 arrested in prostitution sting.

http://www.chron.com/crime/article/Naughty-Not-Nice-Florida-man-biking-in-French-6699678.php

is invariably followed by something crazy?

It's fun to imagine every headline that starts with "Florida Man" as being about the same person

Then why do so many people think guns give them the right to act like assholes?

Surprised to find Gays on Key West.

Unpossible! I've been told it never happens!

...is a polite society. Unless you are seeing it from the point of view of the harassed waitress. Then you get threatened by a gun owner when you ask him to be polite and not hassle the staff.

Not when there's so much daily evidence that an armed society such as ours is in fact violent, regressive, absolutely terrified, and 180 degrees from polite.

Hey, I grew up there. I left over 30 years ago. We go back several times a year, between family and business, but after our most recent trip my wife and I said "never again." Of course, it's not true. We'll still go back. But dear lord...why? Why why why?

I guess you have to store the shit somewhere.

Because my Dad didn't like Wisconsin winters.

After my Dad died, my Mom sold the Florida house, and now she lives here in Wisconsin year-round.

She hates the bugs, pollution, snakes, (especially the snakes!) and druggies.

Now my friend in Orlando, she swears by living there, while my Mom swears at leaving there.

No joke.

Love the weather, the wildlife, the natural scenery. The weird stories are amusing, but truth be told, it's nothing different than anything that goes on in the other 49. It's just that Florida's a bit more open about it.

The bug issue isn't as big as advertised, and certainly the same can be said for snakes. Not sure what your mom is angling at regarding pollution....we do have some sprawl control issues but the air is some of the cleanest in the country.

The politics do suck (and that includes the subset of laws literally written and hand delivered for signature by the NRA.) Oh, does the politics ever suck.

But everything else about Florida is awesome.

...except the stuff that doesn't suck?

Rampant crime. Ugly as hell. Urban sprawl. Cockroaches the size of your head, snakes in your bathroom, alligators eating children...but damn...It's warm!

Fuck that. I lived there for nearly 30 years. I visit regularly, but will never return as a resident. It's a special kind of crazy. It's America's Australia. And I don't mean that in a good way.

Not my Florida.

I wasn't born here but made it a point to move here. I've never had a major problem with bugs or snakes or alligators. And crime is crime no matter where it happens.

Besides, alligators are pretty awesome. Not as awesome as swamp-dwelling panthers, but pretty awesome nonetheless.

They constantly post about how bad it sucks, and how they hate tourists and they hate everybody and someone stole my bike and someone stole my car and someone got killed and a meth lab got busted and all the stores are closing...and I could go on and on.

This is not a Central Florida urban town. This is a sandbar beach-front tourist resort.

Then the next several post are all about "Aren't we awesome? Best place in the world! Everywhere else sucks!" They literally call themselves "The Best Little City In The World."

Yet, I live on a lake in New England, and our town reported seven -- SEVEN -- crimes last year. And only two of them were actual crimes against property or people.

Hometown pride runs strong in the south.

Pass it by on our drives back up to NY. Reminder to self, pass on bye and do not stop there. We are moving back North as soon as we sell our house.