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Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:56 PM Dec 2015

The Nation State is on the skids

http://mahb.stanford.edu/blog/nation-state-on-the-skids/


The nation state, established in the Americas and in Europe post-Napoleon, is now so firmly ingrained in our identities, customs and beliefs that many people are unable to imagine a world in which this edifice of self-organisation might disappear, or at least fade into insignificance – like feudalism, monarchy, the ancient imperial systems, or the priest-states and tribal lands before them.

The problem is a compounding one. As national government becomes less capable it ceases to attract quality leaders, innovators and reformers. Instead it draws in a class of bottom-feeders, adept at every trick to gain and retain power, and who reward themselves and their pals with vast entitlements, allowances, perks and pensions. The concept of ‘public service’ lapses into history as the administrative arm of government becomes politicised and subservient. This in turn accelerates the spiralling loss of credibility, power and popular support for national institutions.

A fifth reason nation states are crumbling is refugeeism. When the UNHCR was set up post-WWII it had a million people to deal with. Today sixty million are displaced by war, famine, political and religious persecution – and far more still are fleeing for economic opportunity elsewhere or the fear of impending disaster as their home state totters.

The 21st Century will hopefully witness the citizens of the world coming together, peacefully, to order their affairs by mutual agreement, treaties, and consensual politics rather than the failing party systems of yore. The big decisions will be taken globally and at local megacity level, creating a vacuum for the national tier of government caught in between. The purpose of this article is to call for wider discussion and public debate about what we – the human species – should do, as and when our anachronistic national systems falter and fail in the mid- and late century.
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2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
2. It would appear that
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

we humans can only evolve, socially, so far before we recede in understanding like a wave washing back into the sea.

I don't see a very bright future for our species.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
5. It does make you wonder. But poverty levels in the world are much lower than recent lows.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

I'm very serious about this issue, yet I'm optimistic. I'm not even sure why. It's like why do we heal? The body heals itself. It sucks to get hurt or sick, so that's where the serious part comes in. And the thing is, these topics are decades old. I went to the first earth day. I became just as disgusted by lack of deep discussion on real issues as what the article above mentions. The world's population is on another part of the planet. We've isolated from all of the suffering that's being caused by our acts and lack of acting. We buy bombs. We've got the resources. We being all nations. I found the article a bit frightening. I almost didn't post it because who needs more headaches. Haha.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
4. I had a college professor who swore that the nation-state was the worst thing to come out of Europe.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:14 PM
Dec 2015

The problem with the current nation-state system (properly, the "Westphalian System" after the treaty that originally created them) is that it defines a nation by borders and lands instead of by people. If you are a member of a people that has the misfortune of being included within another nation-states borders, you will be deemed an outsider and lack representation in that nations government.

The Wesphalian nation-state concept has been blamed for everything from late-era colonialism (expanding the territorial borders of the nation state to increase its power) to the Holocaust.

He argued for a "non-Westphalian democracy" that would allow states, or even cities and regions, to shift their loyalties between national governments as they see fit. If Canada offered Seattle a better deal than Washington DC, Seattle could realign the entire city to be part of our northern neighbor. If America wanted to keep Seattle, the national government would be forced to make it an even better deal. This would force the national governments to be more responsive to people across the country or risk losing them. The result is better representation and a more democratic way of life.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
7. It all depends on whether it's democracy or not, I believe.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:59 PM
Dec 2015

What you just wrote can sound scary if the wrong people were making the decisions.

I'm seeing how complex this is now. How people think and act. What inspires those things.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. "So many issues today are global in nature or context ..."
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Essentially the human on our planet need to govern themselves together. Many issues affect all of us - whether it is global climate change or global corporations.

For the same reasons that national governments were more effective than local governments in dealing with large scale problems and issues, international governance will be more effective with global issues than national governments are.

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