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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:46 PM Dec 2015

Homeless people are not cockroaches or vermin – they are human and have rights

They are? Really? Who would have thought?

http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/dec/21/homeless-people-not-vermin-cockroaches-human-rights

In many countries, homeless people who are engaged in the simple acts of eating and sleeping in the only spaces available to them – parks, public squares, or vacant lands – are subject to criminal sanction, given tickets (like illegally parked cars), and forcibly removed from city centres (also like illegally parked cars). Left to languish like garbage in a landfill on the periphery of society, they are rendered completely invisible. While this may be the preferred approach for some governments, it only cements stigmatisation and helps internalise discrimination against those who are homeless.

Around the world, homeless people are referred to in derogatory terms – vermin, cockroaches, pigeons – things to be exterminated. They are seen as dirty, lacking morals, and burdens on society. And people who are homeless are subject to horrific acts of violence based in hate: youth gangs are known to target and beat street homeless, and women who are homeless experience alarming rates of sexual violence, including rape. Instead of immediately responding to address the harm, as governments might be expected to do, the victims become statistics at best.

All of this – and it’s just the tip of the iceberg – makes it possible for us to walk by homeless people’s makeshift abodes without a glance, to ignore the fact that many people are struggling to survive without electricity, heat in the winter, running water, a toilet or even a clean place to sleep. This paves the way for those of us with privilege to literally step over homeless people in the street and see and feel nothing. No connection, no kinship, no responsibility, no compassion. Filled with discriminatory misperceptions of who is homeless and why, it’s easy for us to assume homeless people are responsible for their own demise.

But we need to resist the urge to blame the victim. You see, if there were just several hundred homeless people worldwide we might reasonably conclude that homelessness is about the bad choices or bad luck of a few. But the millions of people worldwide sleeping rough, doubled up with family and friends in overcrowded housing, living with violent partners or in squalor with no legal rights to their homes, suggests that there is more at play than individual pathologies. It suggests that governments are taking decisions, and creating societies that produce homelessness, that their policies and programmes are failing vulnerable and marginalised groups.
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Homeless people are not cockroaches or vermin – they are human and have rights (Original Post) KamaAina Dec 2015 OP
I am a big fan of Seinfeld, but this reminds me of one of his randys1 Dec 2015 #1
I think if that is the way that Seinfeld felt, he would not have said a thing. Most people don't LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #3
Nah, I am a big fan so I am not looking for a reason to jump on him, he meant it. randys1 Dec 2015 #5
KnR. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #2
I am homeless ghostsinthemachine Dec 2015 #4

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. I am a big fan of Seinfeld, but this reminds me of one of his
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:48 PM
Dec 2015

"Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee" (which in the upcoming season includes OBAMA)

He and some comedian were driving past homeless people and Seinfeld said something to the effect of:

"those folks are bad at scheduling"

Then laughed.

Fuck that, Jerry.

LiberalArkie

(15,730 posts)
3. I think if that is the way that Seinfeld felt, he would not have said a thing. Most people don't
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 04:14 PM
Dec 2015

even see a homeless person as they step over them. Been there and felt that when I raided garbage cans in my 20's.

I remember looking through a garbage can and a man came out with some food he was throwing out. He threw it in the dirt and mashed it in with his foot to make sure no one could eat it.

Looking on the bright side, he may have been expressing how he thinks others think and saying it out loud.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
4. I am homeless
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

Been living in my car for over a year now. Thankfully I knew it was coming so I bought a van which hides out pretty nicely. I belong to a gym and shower and workout there. Got a Computer and download movies etc and have a few bars and coffee shops I have been hannging out in forever so I don't spend much money. I also win trivia almost every week and that is good for a couple of burgers a week. With the food stamps and cash I do okay. I never sell my food stamps (Some do however and that pisses me off) and am going to lose my cash aid next month. My carpal Tunnel is still not fixed but it is better now thanks to painkillers. Now Ic an funtion anyways, but still cannot possibly do any type of job right now till I get the operation.I cannot get SSD because of the time I took care of my parents via IHSS meant that I have a ten year lapse in employment (When working for a parent via IHHS they do not take out social security) so no SS Disability for me.. 2 years till full on SS (62).....

BUT< there are about 30 people who call this library home. They all have a story and a different situation. Some are flat out drunks. Others are tweekers, others don't do drugs at all but have anxiety so bad they cannot even approach a cash register. One guy has a PHD in Russian (Soviet) studies but his weight and overall look, along with his outdated study, mean he cannot get work. He is new around here and living in his car.

Some of the ones who are pretty much unable to function at all I have taken to get them into programs and see that they get food stamps and aid and take them to the free meals, which are a ways away..

I am lucky, I have 2 two cars, great friends around and things to keep me occupied and into a good groove. Many don't. And the help they get is nothing. $175 dollars a month cash for 3 months (which you have to pay back) and 190 in food stamps and a bus pass. but nobody can take their stuff on the bus they seldom use it, because their possessions are everything to them..

If you don't have a car then that means you eat at the liquor store.

A few churches (and they are the only ones that do) help out, but the GIANT church next to the park has never given anyone so much as a sandwich. Nor has the one across the street from that one. A couple free meals, miles away,and the food lockers, but if you are carless, you are screwed. Even then if you don't have a home the food they do give you is worthless. Rice, noodles? soups, all stuff you need to heat? They try hard but it is tough. Some of it is okay but the food lockers are required to give everyone a bag of rice and some noodles and cereal. If you don't have a car, then you aren't getting there. The bus don't come within a mile of there.

For a lot of these people, I tried, via the various agencies around here, to get some info on shelters, becasue I saw the news trucks etc..... and I got NO REPLY. for two weeks, no return on phone calls no return on emails, NOT CRAP (the head of the biggest non profit did offer some info but those contacts never contacted me). One of the orgs just got 10 MILLION Dollars in grants too. Perhaps they should get someone to answer the fucking phone and emails......

They had a shelter here, right down the street, last week for a week. All the news people were there touting this crapola. NOT ONE PERSON (I didn't even go there) from around here spent more than one night there. And we saw freezing temps for a couple of days. They had meals, food and haircuts and clothing, but nobody took advantage for that from around here.

For one thing, but you had to leave here, go to downtown to get on a bus,(only 100 too) then to light rail to wait on a bus (at 5 oclock) then be transported to an church location and get lucky to get that church. Again, possessions play a role into this. That means bus and light rail and walking a distance but having to leave all your possessions behind.

Another is the once you are in, you are in policy. So smokers aren't gonna buy that. I wouldn't. No dogs, no drunks etc policy as well. I know that you have to have those policies due to insurance and liability issues, but it is restrictive.

So I don't know, everyone has a different thing going on. Mine is pain. And being a white male 60 years old with outdated job skills and lots of health issues. One couple is a black man, white woman couple. He is a Muslim, a Sunni,and she is a Presbyterian (Which the GIANT church next door is). They sleep on the ground. Came here from Seattle for a job and that fell apart. Here they are, not shit. One is from this very neighborhood who got screwed out of the family biz when he dad died and has been here for years. He does the can thing. Couple of total drunks who fly signs.
Someone the other day asked me, besides giving cash, what can I do? I didn't have an answer. I told her that all of us would be grateful for dinner come Christmas. Past that< I am not sure. I think money is wasted with homeless organizations and all that bullshit. do the math, 10 million dollars for ONE org this year? Lets suppose there are 5K homeless people in the region. That's 2k per. I think that money would be better off spent directly to people, so they can pay off the crap that is keeping them homeless. Probation, Driver's licenses, Car registration (one of mine is due next month and I have no idea what to do about that) or buy a car etc. But no, it will go to pay salaries of a homeless org that will dance in the moonlight of the TV cameras but only marginally effect actually helping people.

I think someone, someone with money to experiment, should try to give 10K to every homeless person (A test group of course) along with a advocate to see that the money is spent wisely and solves the issues like traffic fines, child support, drivers license. buy decent cars, clothes, teeth, all the things keeping them from seeing their way out of homelessness. Sure some would squander it, but I think most would sue ti wisely. I would start another non profit myself. my back stuff is all taken care of so I would do what I love with it..

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