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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:25 PM Dec 2015

Professor suspended for saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God




A Wheaton College professor suspended for saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God declared Tuesday that she would fight efforts by the private evangelical college to force her out.

Larycia Hawkins, a tenured political science professor who earlier this month demonstrated solidarity with her Muslim neighbors by wearing a hijab, said she will not accept a proposal offered by the college to teach again next fall that would revoke her tenure for at least two years. She said the college appears to be moving toward termination, meanwhile she has rejected suggestions to resign.

"I was naively thinking they wanted to cooperate," she said. "I have tenure, and I have to fight for that."

On Tuesday, Wheaton confirmed that conversations had reached a stalemate.

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Professor suspended for saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2015 OP
I'm not sure how you can prove two imaginary entities are one and the same frizzled Dec 2015 #1
I'm not sure she offered an academic proof, merely a premise. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #8
Talk about missing the point CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #16
she's not missing the point Skittles Dec 2015 #19
I thought all of the Abrahamic religions did...? etherealtruth Dec 2015 #2
That's what I thought, too -- biblical scholars long ago came to that Nay Dec 2015 #5
It has long been a Catholic teaching but OriginalGeek Dec 2015 #12
Same or different, it is all make believe FrodosPet Dec 2015 #3
"people of the book" eShirl Dec 2015 #4
"Allah" is the Arabic word for "God" KamaAina Dec 2015 #6
Evangelicals get real upset when this fact is pointed out to them. blogslut Dec 2015 #7
It's a "fact"? Really. Igel Dec 2015 #11
Ugh blogslut Dec 2015 #14
People who choose to work for or send their children to religious schools kiva Dec 2015 #9
Wheaton College............ KentuckyWoman Dec 2015 #10
Who cares what happens to this delusional asshole. AngryAmish Dec 2015 #13
WTF? I mean really WTF? CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #17
As a point of fact, Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #15
Well technically she's right... they both worship an imaginary being.... truebrit71 Dec 2015 #18
Why does it not surprise me that ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #20
 

frizzled

(509 posts)
1. I'm not sure how you can prove two imaginary entities are one and the same
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:27 PM
Dec 2015

Talk about a pointless dispute.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. I'm not sure she offered an academic proof, merely a premise.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

I'm not sure she offered an academic proof, merely a premise intended for outreach to a demographic in the country having a rather tough go at things right now...

Nay

(12,051 posts)
5. That's what I thought, too -- biblical scholars long ago came to that
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:16 PM
Dec 2015

conclusion. So what's wrong with what she said?

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
12. It has long been a Catholic teaching but
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

that's enough reason for baptists to reject it. I think Wheaton is a baptist school. And they don't take kindly to their Father, Son and Holy Ghost mixing with them muslins.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
3. Same or different, it is all make believe
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dec 2015

They are both violent, mind controlling mythologies taking far too much control over people's lives and turning them into rabid monsters.

Most people who worship are peaceful people who do not accept medieval interpretations of their sacred texts. But even a minority of 5 to 10% being angry, destructive literalists is enough to cause a lot of pain in this world.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. "Allah" is the Arabic word for "God"
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:17 PM
Dec 2015

Arabic-speaking Christians, of whom there are many, especially in Lebanon, use it too.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
11. It's a "fact"? Really.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

Good luck with that one. It's rather like saying it's a "fact" that there's only really one US President, who's variously white, single, and in his 40s; black, married with daughters, and around 60; and who's black, widowed, with a single son.

Muslims have traditionally said we have the same god, but that Xians and Jews screwed it up. Jesus wasn't crucified, but imperfectly revealed a God with no partners--no son, no trinity. "Jesus is God" is blasphemy. It's all in "they screwed it up", so we Xians and Jews worship a warped image of the one true God. They're tolerant. But Muhammed has it all over on Jesus. Xians used to consider Muslims heretics early on.

Xians believed, at one point (or at least some did), that Jesus was pre-existent to his birth and was the law-giver of old. In other words, Jesus was Yahweh. Chew on that one. Jehovah was skewered by a Roman soldier. But even then they believed in a triune god. That is, the Muslims are all wet. But it was a nice fiction because otherwise you'd have had genocide.

Not all Xians even believed that. "God" in some sense was the lawgiver, but didn't really mean it. Somehow.

Jews believe in a single G-d. No Jesus. Their G-d has no son and Jews missed the boat. That became offensive (in my lifetime).

I figure that Abraham knew Jesus and that's who told Abraham to spared Isaac. Er, Ishmael--in one tradition Abraham was going to sacrifice one son, in another a completely different son. Rather like insisting that my Barack Obama's kid's "Michael", and he has no daughters. (What, you say we don't have the same president? Who's yours, if not Barack Obama?)

It's only a "fact" as long as "fact" can mean "without foundation in anything observable or provable." In other words, it's only fact as long as it's not obviously able to be a fact but an assertion rooted in unprovable belief.

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
14. Ugh
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 07:40 PM
Dec 2015

I am saying it's a fact in terms of accepted theology. Just like it's a fact that Eru Ilúvatar produced Melkor, who became Morgoth who was defeated, leaving his lieutenant, Sauron, to become the main bad guy in terms of Tolkien's mythology.

sigh.

As far as boB is concerned, they're all Pinks.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
9. People who choose to work for or send their children to religious schools
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015

often seem shocked when they discover the rules apply to them. I've read elsewhere that Wheaton has fired faculty/staff for getting divorced and for converting to Catholicism, so Hawkins shouldn't be surprised that making this sort statement that goes to the heart of most Christian sects will lead to being dismissed.

Apparently the college had no problem with her wearing a hijab, but drew the line at her disagreement with the tenets of their faith - tenets, by the way, that all faculty and staff must read and agree with before they are hired.

This is not a defense of the school, it is a criticism of the parents who agree to sent their children to them, college students who continue to enroll, and faculty who agree to these religious beliefs and teach at such schools - without them, these schools would cease to exist.

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
10. Wheaton College............
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

No professor with brains and a conscience will last at Wheaton for a lifetime. Eventually it will crack.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
15. As a point of fact,
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:27 AM
Dec 2015

the Aramaic word for God is Elah or Alah (variously spelled) which would mean that Jesus himself (if he existed) would have spoken of God as Allah. Jews, Christians and Muslims all revere the same Old Testament prophets, and while Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, they do consider him a great prophet.

And why shouldn't they all believe in the same god, since the origin of each is the Mideast desert.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
20. Why does it not surprise me that
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:51 AM
Dec 2015

the people running the religious college do not know much about their religion?

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