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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:09 PM Dec 2015

Time To Make Independent Contracting Against The Law.

The 1099 economy is a threat to every job in the country. We will not be able to sustain ourselves as a world power with a contracted work force. In the end this contracting madness will create social and economic instability. Now every employer wants to be employee free to escape taxes, Social Security, unemployment insurance, health care, et al. The "sharing economy" is a myth.

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Time To Make Independent Contracting Against The Law. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Dec 2015 OP
I'm not sure that'll help JackInGreen Dec 2015 #1
It shouldn't be illegal. There are circumstances where it's beneficial to the worker. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #2
it reminds me of the 401 pitch -"it is beneficial to workers" now you can forget pensions saturnsring Dec 2015 #14
I wouldn't want to give up the opportunity to work independently for different people. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #17
TheMastersNemesis wants everyone in the country to have a Master. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #3
I know this happens, by the code I read if you are instructed by a Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #4
No stopping it because no more large corporations Cayenne Dec 2015 #5
Well, what do you expect...... daleanime Dec 2015 #7
More or going out of business than going in Cayenne Dec 2015 #9
If a business can only survive by treating it's employees like this..... daleanime Dec 2015 #19
^^^this AllyCat Dec 2015 #20
Yep. Enough of this "I love being my own boss" nonsense. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #6
I'd rather see corporations be required to qualify as "socially responsible" 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #8
Here's my solution: snot Dec 2015 #10
I agree Omaha Steve Dec 2015 #11
Amen. appalachiablue Dec 2015 #12
I'm not sure if I entirely agree mythology Dec 2015 #13
I am a1099 wilt the stilt Dec 2015 #15
Fraud is a threat to every job in this country, let me know when you feel like going after some big Rex Dec 2015 #16
I like 1099 living. It means I do not have to work cheap or every day or any day I don't want to.... marble falls Dec 2015 #18
Everyone should have an unbreakable corporate contract from birth Democat Dec 2015 #21
Awful idea. I'm never W2ing again if I can help it (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #22
This how I handled my "contracting" work. rickford66 Dec 2015 #23

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
1. I'm not sure that'll help
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:11 PM
Dec 2015

How about contractor instigated independant contractor? I know too many artists that file Iike that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
2. It shouldn't be illegal. There are circumstances where it's beneficial to the worker.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:13 PM
Dec 2015

I know several people who are making a lot more money as contractors than they ever did as employees, and they like working that way. I do some work as a free-lance writer and I do not want to be anybody's employee. However, there should be closer scrutiny to prevent businesses from taking advantage of people who should be regarded as employees. There are already IRS and labor department regulations in place that define employees vs. independent contractors but they need to be strictly enforced.

 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
14. it reminds me of the 401 pitch -"it is beneficial to workers" now you can forget pensions
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:28 AM
Dec 2015

"there are several people who made a lot of money on the stock market"

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
17. I wouldn't want to give up the opportunity to work independently for different people.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:37 AM
Dec 2015

If I am working only for one person or entity, however, and they dictate how and when I work and limit my ability to work for someone else, then I'm an employee and should be treated as such. But if I don't want to be an employee so that I can work on my own terms for multiple people or entities, I should be able to make that choice.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
3. TheMastersNemesis wants everyone in the country to have a Master.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:13 PM
Dec 2015

How ironic.

Personally... I think EVERYONE who wants total control of their own life should be encouraged to take that bull by the horns.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. I know this happens, by the code I read if you are instructed by a
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:15 PM
Dec 2015

Person who instructs one what to do on a daily basis, then the person is an employee and taxes should be collected by the employer on the employee. These taxes needs to be submitted on 941 and the required matching taxes.

Cayenne

(480 posts)
5. No stopping it because no more large corporations
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

Only the Federal Government will be the last large employer. Not really sure how it can be stopped. People have become so hostile to free enterprise.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
7. Well, what do you expect......
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:21 PM
Dec 2015

when 'free enterprise' continues to screw people over for the benefit of imagery social constructions?

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
19. If a business can only survive by treating it's employees like this.....
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:40 AM
Dec 2015

does it deserve to continue?

Also if it so hard for companies to make ends meet, why are CEO salaries still sky-rocketing?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. Yep. Enough of this "I love being my own boss" nonsense.
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:19 PM
Dec 2015

Why allow people to work for themselves and set their own hours when we can force them to work 9 to 5 every day with 3 weeks vacation a year?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. I'd rather see corporations be required to qualify as "socially responsible"
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:27 PM
Dec 2015

according to a rational evidencebasad set of criteria; which was actually what
corporations HAD to do initially when they were conceived and incorporated into
the tax code. There's a whole decades-long movement to do just that, so the
idea has legs, just not enough of them, nor enough traction given the political
landscape currently.

snot

(10,530 posts)
10. Here's my solution:
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 11:06 PM
Dec 2015

Just require that all employers provide benefits commensurate to hours worked.

Whatever health insurance, paid leave, pensions, etc. are offered to the chief exec., fine. But on an hour-per-hour basis, they have to offer the same to their lowest employee or contractor, or the cash equivalent thereof.

If the CEO has cadillac health insurance with a premium of $1,800/month, and the CEO works 60 hours a week, and the company has a janitor that works 20 hrs./week, they have to provide the janitor the equivalent of $600/mo. for health insurance.

This might vastly reduce the substitution of part-time for what should be full-time jobs.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. I'm not sure if I entirely agree
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:22 AM
Dec 2015

but in the end, companies are proving that they will routinely violate these laws and many companies exist simply because they find ways to violate these laws.

The government needs to be more effective in enforcing the laws, but then again one party things all government (other than the military and laws around regulating what happens with women's bodies) is bad.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
15. I am a1099
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:29 AM
Dec 2015

and I prefer it. I recently turned down 2 full time jobs to be a 1099. I am even willing to pay my own insurance and double social security. By going 1099 I doubled my base salary and increased my commissions. I will probably make a lot more this year.I have my own business and I cold call. If you can really cold call you can make a handsome income.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. Fraud is a threat to every job in this country, let me know when you feel like going after some big
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

fish. You gonna kill off small business too? The real problems are the worsing conditions for the working force. Guess who gets to fuck up workers pensions and 401ks?

marble falls

(57,145 posts)
18. I like 1099 living. It means I do not have to work cheap or every day or any day I don't want to....
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:39 AM
Dec 2015

Better to create better employment contracts for workers, unions are re-surging. That will do better for everyone than ruining my livelihood.

rickford66

(5,528 posts)
23. This how I handled my "contracting" work.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:21 PM
Dec 2015

While unemployed I did work for a company, but insisted I was treated as a temp. So they paid SS etc besides per diem. Eventually I worked for them for 14 years as a permanent employee until circumstances forced them to lay off most of their engineers. I immediately went on Medicare and SS plus unemployment. After a year, they wanted me for more work. So I insisted on being treated as a temp again. If a company wants you bad enough, treating you as a temp, works for both of you. My current employment started as a 6 month temp job and I've been hire as a permanent now. The interesting thing is, when I got laid off in 2011, another company bought the contracts we were working on and that new company is the one that hired me now. So I'm essentially working on the same s/w I wrote back then. I've been lucky but employees have to start bargaining for their labor. Bring back the unions for the blue collars. Professionals have to start comparing salaries and benefits. A few of my engineering friends do this and it's a big eye-opener. Many professionals are either underpaid or overpaid. You should do everything you can to find out the going salaries in your area.

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