On the past six months a big selection of OPs has been our horrible cities. They are not working. Time to try a different direction. There has to be politicians that can run these cities adequately.

......the US is below both the avg and median homicide rate for countries worldwide:

try to say we are not a violent country just to justify it??

Here is my graph for you!

Turkey for instance actually has a homicide rate of 2.6 per 100,000, not under 1 like that chart shows. Or do we only care when guns are used?

Not really helping your argument.

http://www.businessinsider.com/oecd-homicide-rates-chart-2015-6

100 countries have lower rates (but not by much, the difference between 1 & 3 out of a 100,000 isn't very large) and 100 countries have a higher rate, and in some case worse by a very large amount, 50+ dead out of 100,000 is a significant difference to 3. And they aren't all 3rd world hellholes unless you think Bermuda and Argentina are.

All the countries under 5 per 100,000 have a relatively low murder rate, the bad ones are 25 to 70 per 100,000 including countries like Venezuela, Brazil, the Bahamas and Jamaica.

...& much, MUCH less then many.

able to lie about numbers. IM me for a more OPEN discussion, would enjoy it.

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....nor is it a lie to say the difference between 1 dead and 3 dead per 100,000 people is not a large difference.

That's the difference in the homicide between a rate of .001% (UK) and .003% US....both very small numbers.

and start to wonder why we are so bad compared to other developed nations?

"We're not as violent as Somalia. YAY!"

So these are 3rd world countries? Bermuda, Argentina, Lithuania, Iran, not to mention vacation paradises like Aruba, Fiji, Cuba, Thailand, British Virgin Islands, Costa Rica, Caymans, Panama, Bahamas, Jamaica etc.....all with a higher rate then the US.

Duh.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm

....1st/2nd/3rd world is more a cold war definition of aligned and non-aligned nations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_country

Like we do here in many of our major cities. It also disproportionally affects Black and Hispanic residents of our deadliest cities here. The violence here all circles back to the War on Drugs, and the poverty/lack of opportunity for minorities.

+1000

What is your plan to increase terror here?

Detroit or New Orleans levels of violence, according to the chart, mostly gang vs. gang stuff.

But I like it here. What dangers there are pale in comparison to the celebrations of life.

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I haven't lived in a low crime Ivory Soap 99.44% Pure White Community since I quit high school.

My parents lived in such a community for some of my childhood because of their careers, but they've fled too, same as all my siblings.

How do you make this world a better place if you are surrounded by clueless affluent white U.S. Americans afraid to trek out of their comfort zones???

Cities die when the people who can afford to leave drive away.

Then when the place is in ruins, they come back and "gentrify" neighborhoods, pushing the poor into even worse environments.

The only people who can stop that vicious cycle are the ones who stay.

But god yes, I do sometimes think I ought to have left the U.S.A. for nicer nations when I was young.

My ancestors all emigrated from Europe to the Americas in the 18th and 19th centuries when things were turning to shit in their nations and they got caught up in troubles, mostly for being on the wrong side of the dominant state religions, or for refusing to fight in wars they did not believe in.

I don't believe in this modern economy. What we currently call "economic productivity" is a direct measure of the damage we are doing to the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.

And frankly, yes, affluent white U.S.A. is creepy and clueless. Other sorts of people make them uncomfortable, especially people who refuse to act like affluent white people.

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... but honestly, I wouldn't live any other way.

When I was a kid my dad, an artist, decided it would be fun to move to Spain. Franco's Spain. Picasso wasn't even living there.

My mom is a person who always says what she thinks. One night my dad couldn't sleep after my mom had told a Spanish official exactly what she thought of him Pompous little man, or something like that, maybe worse, so we stuffed everything we could into the car and headed to France.

Unfortunately our money in Spain didn't come with us. There were no automatic tellers then, or even credit cards ordinary people could afford.

So we were indigent Americans living in our car in a public park in France. The local community didn't know what to do with us so they bought us Ferry tickets to England.

The English bankers, bless their hearts, and with some reasonable commission, eventually pried my parent's meager savings out of Spain, lending them money until all the details were worked out.

I drive a mid 'eighties car with a bullet hole in it. I don't wash anything on it but the windows and mirrors, and I don't repair anything that's not essential for safety.

Self proclaimed "rational" people are often boring and entirely unable to recognize how irrational their own behaviors are.

like the victims were in Paris, as opposed to drug and gang related killings which I suspect comprise the majority of the murders in the 32 US cities such as St. Louis. And I suspect that most DUers would be too, as they are more likely to be sitting in a restaurant or going to a concert than to be involved in a gang or an illicit drug transaction.

Or even San Francisco, for what it's worth.

But bullets is bullets. Guns and bombs piss me off, fired by "good guy" or "bad guy," I don't respect any of it.

Once the shooting starts, everything is FUBAR.

Agreed. And also sad, because the war on drugs is killing people.

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They can get that rate up if they wanted to. But they are cheese eating surrender monkeys who don't mind losing to the U.S. Fuck Yeah!

Harumph! Harumph! I didn't get a harumph outta that guy!

Keep comparing European cities to cities next door to the largest drug trafficking hub in the world.

The difference is of course availability of guns.