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Behind the Ronald Reagan myth: No one had ever entered the White House so grossly ill informedby William Leuchtenburg at Salon
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/27/behind_the_ronald_reagan_myth_no_one_had_ever_entered_the_white_house_so_grossly_ill_informed/
"SNIP..............
No one had ever entered the White House so grossly ill informed. At presidential news conferences, especially in his first year, Ronald Reagan embarrassed himself. On one occasion, asked why he advocated putting missiles in vulnerable places, he responded, his face registering bewilderment, I dont know but what maybe you havent gotten into the area that Im going to turn over to the secretary of defense. Frequently, he knew nothing about events that had been headlined in the morning newspaper. In 1984, when asked a question he should have fielded easily, Reagan looked befuddled, and his wife had to step in to rescue him. Doing everything we can, she whispered. Doing everything we can, the president echoed. To be sure, his detractors sometimes exaggerated his ignorance. The publication of his radio addresses of the 1950s revealed a considerable command of facts, though in a narrow range. But nothing suggested profundity. You could walk through Ronald Reagans deepest thoughts, a California legislator said, and not get your ankles wet.
In all fields of public affairsfrom diplomacy to the economythe president stunned Washington policymakers by how little basic information he commanded. His mind, said the well-disposed Peggy Noonan, was barren terrain. Speaking of one far-ranging discussion on the MX missile, the Indiana congressman Lee Hamilton, an authority on national defense, reported, Reagans only contribution throughout the entire hour and a half was to interrupt somewhere at midpoint to tell us hed watched a movie the night before, and he gave us the plot from War Games. The president cut ribbons and made speeches. He did these things beautifully, Congressman Jim Wright of Texas acknowledged. But he never knew frijoles from pralines about the substantive facts of issues. Some thought him to be not only ignorant but, in the word of a former CIA director, stupid. Clark Clifford called the president an amiable dunce, and the usually restrained columnist David Broder wrote, The task of watering the arid desert between Reagans ears is a challenging one for his aides.
No Democratic adversary would ever constitute as great a peril to the presidents political future, his advisers concluded, as Reagan did himself. Therefore, they protected him by severely restricting situations where he might blurt out a fantasy. His staff, one study reported, wrapped him in excelsior, while keeping the press at shouting distance or beyond. In his first year as president, he held only six news conferencesfewest ever in the modern era. Aides also prepared scores of cue cards, so that he would know how to greet visitors and respond to interviewers. His secretary of the treasury and later chief of staff said of the president: Every moment of every public appearance was scheduled, every word scripted, every place where Reagan was expected to stand was chalked with toe marks. Those manipulations, he added, seemed customary to Reagan, for he had been learning his lines, composing his facial expressions, hitting his toe marks for half a century. Each night, before turning in, he took comfort in a shooting schedule for the next days television- focused events that was laid out for him at his bedside, just as it had been in Hollywood.
His White House staff found it difficult, often impossible, to get him to stir himself to follow even this rudimentary routine. When he was expected to read briefing papers, he lazed on a couch watching old movies. On the day before a summit meeting with world leaders about the future of the economy, he was given a briefing book. The next morning, his chief of staff asked him why he had not even opened it. Well, Jim, the president explained, The Sound of Music was on last night.
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saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Reagan was a complete nitwit from long-ago days.
A lot of people like old movies, and I don't fault them for it. But most of us aren't the President of the United States, and for that job, you know, there's often quite a bit to keep track of.
Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)And yet the right wing worships him today.
CanonRay
(14,111 posts)Sounds a lot like the Trump phenomenon doesn't it.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Alexander Cockburn
Lies Of Our Times (p. 12-13)
November 1991
Thus ran Lou Cannons recollections of an interview with the Commander-in-Chief in 1981, as set forth in his book President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1991), published earlier this year. But how did Cannon describe Reagans condition to the readers of the Washington Post when he wrote up his interview? In the July 23, 1981, Washington Post,Cannons story appeared under the headline Reagan Describes Summit Meeting as Worth Its Weight in Gold. Cannons report gives the impression of a lucid chief executive returning home after a fruitful colloquy with other western leaders at the economic summit held in Ottawa in mid-July. Cannon did mention in the tenth paragraph that Reagan appeared tired to the point of near-exhaustion, but this observation was quickly qualified by the opinion of aides that the president had been doing a lot of prep for the conference and was also worried about the Middle East.
Cannon shared his brief session with Reagan aboard Air Force One with Hedrick Smith of the New York Times, who similarly gave his readers the impression of a president in touch with things rather than the incoherent old man they had actually encountered. As did Cannon, Smith wove the few quotable remarks from Reagan into a tapestry of attributed presidential dicta passed on and no doubt confected by Meese, Deaver, and Speakes. It is clear from Cannons account of the conference itself that Reagan was fogged up throughout the actual conference, occasionally interjecting trivial observations or homely jokes into the proceedings and then relapsing into bemused silence. Cannons memoir is one more indication of the cover-up that took place in the wake of Hinckleys assassination bid on March 30, 1981. At the time of the shooting, the press was full of phrases like bouncing back, iron constitution, and other terms indicating that Reagan had emerged from the ordeal in good shape. In fact Reagan very nearly died on the operating table and was a dotard afterwards. He never fully recovered.
Conclusion: Unless a president is actually dead, the White House press corps can be relied upon to present him as both sentient and sapient, no matter how decrepit his physical and mental condition.
SOURCE in PDF form:
http://liesofourtimes.org/public_html/1991/Nov1991%20V2%20N10/Nov1991%20V2%20N10.pdf
LuvNewcastle
(16,849 posts)I think he already had Alzheimer's before then, but the stress of being shot and the recovery drove the disease into high gear. The public appearances became fewer and he became more and more befuddled. By the time he left office, his eyes were black holes. The Reagan years were the first two Bush terms.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Old news to you, LuvNewcastle: The coup d'grace was "serving" Pruneface as veep.
At a dinner during Republican National Convention, Detroit, 1980.
George Bush Takes Charge: The Uses of Counter-Terrorism
By Christopher Simpson
Covert Action Quarterly 58
A paper trail of declassified documents from the Reagan‑Bush era yields valuable information on how counter‑terrorism provided a powerful mechanism for solidifying Bush's power base and launching a broad range of national security initiatives.
During the Reagan years, George Bush used "crisis management" and "counter‑terrorism" as vehicles for running key parts of the clandestine side of the US government.
Bush proved especially adept at plausible denial. Some measure of his skill in avoiding responsibility can be taken from the fact that even after the Iran‑Contra affair blew the Reagan administration apart, Bush went on to become the "foreign policy president," while CIA Director William Casey, by then conveniently dead, took most of the blame for a number of covert foreign policy debacles that Bush had set in motion.
The trail of National Security Decision Directives (NSDDS) left by the Reagan administration begins to tell the story. True, much remains classified, and still more was never committed to paper in the first place. Even so, the main picture is clear: [font size="5"][font color="green"]As vice president, George Bush was at the center of secret wars, political murders, and America's convoluted oil politics in the Middle East.[/font color][/font size]
SNIP...
Reagan and the NSC also used NSDDs to settle conflicts among security agencies over bureaucratic turf and lines of command. It is through that prism that we see the first glimmers of Vice President Bush's role in clandestine operations during the 1980s.
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NSDD 159. MANAGEMENT OF U.S. COVERT OPERATIONS, (TOP SECRET/VEIL‑SENSITIVE), JAN. 18,1985
The Reagan administration's commitment to significantly expand covert operations had been clear since before the 1980 election. How such operations were actually to be managed from day to day, however, was considerably less certain. The management problem became particularly knotty owing to legal requirements to notify congressional intelligence oversight committees of covert operations, on the one hand, and the tacitly accepted presidential mandate to deceive those same committees concerning sensitive operations such as the Contra war in Nicaragua, on the other.
[font color="red"]The solution attempted in NSDD 159 was to establish a small coordinating committee headed by Vice President George Bush through which all information concerning US covert operations was to be funneled. The order also established a category of top secret information known as Veil, to be used exclusively for managing records pertaining to covert operations.
The system was designed to keep circulation of written records to an absolute minimum while at the same time ensuring that the vice president retained the ability to coordinate US covert operations with the administration's overt diplomacy and propaganda.
Only eight copies of NSDD 159 were created. The existence of the vice president's committee was itself highly classified.[/font color] The directive became public as a result of the criminal prosecutions of Oliver North, John Poindexter, and others involved in the Iran‑Contra affair, hence the designation "Exhibit A" running up the left side of the document.
CONTINUED...
CovertAction Quarterly no 58 Fall 1996 pp31-40.
Nobody's touched CIA ever since. And Reagan is a saint.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)tblue37
(65,477 posts)controlled access to him so no one would realize he had been incapacitated. Once discovered, his condition and their coverup of it led to the passage of the 25th Amendment.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Agents for Bush
The 1980 Campaign
by Bob Callahan
Covert Action Information Bulletin
George Bush owed his recent political fortune to several old CIA friends, chiefly Ray Cline, who had helped to rally the intelligence community and started "Agents for Bush."
Bill Peterson of the Washington Post wrote in a March 1, 1980 article, "Simply put, no presidential campaign in recent memory perhaps ever has attracted as much support from the intelligence community as (has) the campaign of former CIA director George Bush."
George Bushs CIA campaign staff included Cline, CIA Chief of Station in Taiwan from 1958 to 1962; Lt. Gen. Salm V. Wilson and Lt. Gen. Harold A. Aaron, both former Directors of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Also included were retired Gen. Richard Stillwell, once the CIAs Chief of Covert Operations for the Far East, and at least 25 other retired Company directors, deputy directors and, or, agents.
Angelo Codevilla, informed a congressional committee that was "aware that active duty agents of the CIA worked for the George Bush primary election campaign.
Ray Cline claimed that he had been promoting the pro-CIA agenda that Bush had embraced for years, and that he had found the post Church-hearings criticism had died down some time ago. "I found there was a tremendous constituency for the CIA when everyone in Washington was still urinating all over it," Cline said. "Its panned out almost too good to be true. The country is waking up just in time for Georges candidacy.
In July 1979 George Bush and Ray Cline attended a conference in Jerusalem. (with) leaders of Israel, Great Britain and the United States. The Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism was hosted by the Israeli government and most of Israels top intelligence officers were in attendance.
The Israelis were angry with Carter because his administration had recently released its annual report on human rights wherein the Israeli government was taken to task for abusing the rights of the Palestinian people on the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The Republican delegation was led by George Bush. It included Ray Cline and Major Gen. George Keegan (former USAF intelligence chief) and Harvard professor Richard Pipes.
Looking for a mobilizing issue to counter the Carter-era themes of détente and human rights, the Bush people began to explore the political benefits of embracing the terrorism/anti-terrorism theme.
Ray Cline developed the theme that terror was not a random response. but rather an instrument of East bloc policy adopted after 1969 when the KGB persuaded the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to accept the PLO as a major political instrument in the Mideast and to subsidize its terrorist policies by freely giving money, training, arms and coordinated communications.
Within days after the conference the new propaganda war began in earnest. On July 11, 1979, the International Herald Tribune featured a lead editorial entitled "The Issue is Terrorism," which quoted directly from conference speeches.
SOURCE: Covert Action Information Bulletin No.33(Winter 1990) "The Bush Issue"
http://mediamayhem.blogspot.com/2004_04_11_archive.html
History doesn't seem to repeat so much anymore; it vibrates on one resonant frequency. The people who call the shots see that it does.
LuvNewcastle
(16,849 posts)And the frequency is splitting my ears.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Even today she fights raising the min wage to a living wage and she fights reestablishment of Glass-Steagall and she fights raising the cap on Social Security. Ronald would be proud of her.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people just tapped into -- he tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/21seelye-text.html
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)The question is did Reagan put the Country on a different trajectory?
It does not state that Obama agrees the trajectory is positive for the Country.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Sadly, the script called for fucking over the economy for the vast majority of Americans, probably beyond any real hope of repair. I'd gladly piss on his grave, except I assume there are video cameras...
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)The GOP doesn't want or need a real guy. They need a TV pitchman.
hunter
(38,322 posts)Give him money and wiggle his joystick the right way, and he'd say or do anything, especially if it was rotten.
He was a fucking tool.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)In relation to today's conservatives.
He would jump right on the current crazy train and take over.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Democrats seem to prefer advocates for policies that help people. So, I can't think of a single Democrat that slides by without delivering some kind of message of substance and advocacy for people who are disenfranchised. Republicans not only do not speak for the disenfranchised they demonize them this doesn't take much brain power so you see what rises to the top of their power structure.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)favorite and after buying them they are now selling them. There is no doubt that it is the billionaires who are in charge.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, they more consistently deliver what the oligarchs want and they are more willing to dupe their constituents.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I felt his election increased the odds of nuclear war substantially. I thought he was dangerous.
I was never sold on his intelligence or knowledge.
I thought he was a puppet of a president and the country was really run by those around him. I still feel that to this day.
I liked Kennedy, Carter and Obama as presidents - I thought all three were knowledgeable and bright and I generally liked their policies.
Johnson disappointed with Vietnam war which I protested but he did good too.
Nixon - he was a slimy liar long before Watergate - never liked him
Reagan - not bright, many reasons I didn't care for his presidency - in part because he personally wasn't up to the task
G HW Bush - Mixed feelings - maybe a little biased - worked in one of his think tanks
Clinton - good and bad. Bad was NAFTA and Lewinsky (the Lewinsky thing bothered me)
GW Bush - dumb as a f'in rock - couldn't stand him
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Reagan ushered in the dark times.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Who was maybe not as clueless, but close.
Frightening thing is Cheney and Rumsfeld were in thick of things in both administrations. Cheney got a chance to see how to handle a doofus with Reagan, it must have helped a lot with Shrub.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That would mean we've had The Bush Crime Family in power for 20 of the last 35 years.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)His co-stars knew that they were working with a puppet. Bette Davis said some pretty nasty things about Ronnie-boy.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)They pretty much all said off the record that Reagan had to be badgered to express an opinion on absolutely anything.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)...You could walk through Ronald Reagans deepest thoughts, a California legislator said, and not get your ankles wet....
St Ronnie of the Raygun...
3catwoman3
(24,026 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 12:18 AM - Edit history (1)
...were so easily snookered by this empty-headed dolt still amazes me. And still disgusts me.
But he never knew frijoles from pralines about the substantive facts of issues. A genteel version of the more pithy "Doesn't know shit from Shinola" phrase, which would be more appropriate, because Reagan certainly didn't know shit about anything.
lastlib
(23,266 posts)Johonny
(20,874 posts)He also was helped by having a functioning Cabinet and congress. Put Reagan in the Bush white house and he is Bush.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)Just think how bad things would have been if he was making policy decisions.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,020 posts)jalan48
(13,879 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)I cracked up regularly about it, until I found out he had Alzheimer's. Still hate his ilk.
tblue37
(65,477 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)
she told me, "but I wanted smart grandchildren, and he wasn't very bright."
This was when he was Dutch Reagan, a 26-year-old sportscaster , and Mom was a young waitress at a coffee shop where he used to hang out.
tblue37
(65,477 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 28, 2015, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
http://www.theclotheshavenoemperor.comRe-issued by popular demand.
Proud to say, we talked about it on DU back in 2004...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1743460
Before, then, too, but that is lost in the mists of GOOGLE...
applegrove
(118,749 posts)join the communist party but was turned away for being a 'flake'. Then he joined the Democratic Party. Finally he became a Republican.
3catwoman3
(24,026 posts)Here is just one-
"This is not news as anybody knows who has read "Sleepwalking Through History" by Haynes Johnson. That America would elect a man who was nearly brain dead is an indictment of the gullible people who supported that cretinous actor. The damage that Ronnie did to our nation continues to this day and is seen clearly in his idiot spawn, the current republican party."
Time for a trip to the library.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Thank God we dodged that bullet.
Vinca
(50,300 posts)He deserves an Oscar given the adoration he generates among Republicans . . . despite running up the debt, raising taxes, etc. Today's GOP would call him a lefty.
Orrex
(63,219 posts)He has always sounded like the slightly "off" uncle that you studiously avoid at family gatherings. Listening to his speeches is agony, and you'll get more charisma from a bag of wet socks.
Even today he's exalted as some kind of god-figure, when in fact he was always an empty-headed disaster, if anyone had bothered to notice.
ProfessorGAC
(65,136 posts). . .i think it was either Christmas day or the day after Washington Journal had this guy on with a new Reagan book. OMG, what a bunch of hagiographic nonsense.
The whole "he won the cold war" and not just by "Spending the USSR into oblivion." On Patco, his answer was practically "well what you gonna do?"
Just terrible.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...worshipers of the wonderful Gipper.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)was of him being ushered rapidly between car/building/helicopter/whatever, smiling and holding a hand to his ear as reporters shouted questions, responding with a shrug or an indecipherable shout of his own.
And there are those who believe that his likeness should appear on Mt. Rushmore.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders. California Governor Ronald Reagan, Sacramento Bee, April 28, 1966.
All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk. Ronald Reagan, Burlington (Vermont) Free Press (15 February 1980).
Evolution] has in recent years been challenged in the world of science and is not yet believed in the scientific community to be as infallible as it once was believed. But if it was going to be taught in the schools, then I think that also the biblical theory of creation, which is not a theory but the biblical story of creation, should also be taught. Press conference at evangelical event in Dallas, Texas. (22 August 1980).
My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes. Joking during a microphone check. The joke was later leaked to the general populace. [7][8] (11 August 1984).
Shouldn't someone tag Mr. Kennedy's "bold new imaginative" program with its proper age? Under the tousled boyish haircut it is still old Karl Marxfirst launched a century ago. There is nothing new in the idea of a government being Big Brother to us all. Hitler called his "State Socialism" and way before him it was "benevolent monarchy." In a 1960 letter to the GOP presidential candidate Richard Nixon, quoted in Matthew Dallek's The Right Moment: Ronald Reagan's First Victory and the Decisive Turning Point in American Politics (2000), p. 38.
I've spoken recently of the freedom fighters of Nicaragua. You know the truth about them. You know who they're fighting and why. They are the moral equal of our Founding Fathers and the brave men and women of the French Resistance. We cannot turn away from them, for the struggle here is not right versus left; it is right versus wrong. Speech to the annual conference of the Conservative Political Action Conference, New York, speaking of the rebels (or Contras) seeking to overthrow the Nicaraguan Government (1 March 1985); reported in "Reagan Terms Nicaraguan Rebels 'Moral Equal of Founding Fathers'" in The New York Times (2 March 1985).
Oh, and then the ones about Reagan . . . .
President Reagan doesn't always check the facts before he makes statements, and the press accepts this as kind of amusing. President Jimmy Carter, March 6, 1984, cited by Paul Slansky, The Clothes Have No Emperor.
He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the parameters of logic that they leave you speechless.
I'd heard my parents [Ronald and Nancy Reagan] read their horoscopes aloud at the breakfast table, but that seemed pretty innocuous to me. Occasionally, I read mine, too usually so I can do the exact opposite of what it says. But my parents have done what the stars suggested altered schedules, changed travel plans, stayed home, cancelled appearances." Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan) talking about her father, The Way I See It.
Reagan's theory was really "trickle down" economics borrowed from the Republican 1920s (Harding-Coolidge-Hoover) and renamed "supply side." Cut tax rates for the wealthy; everyone else will benefit. As Reagan's budget director David Stockman confided to me at the time, the supply-side rhetoric "was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate." Many middle-class and poor citizens figured it out, even if reporters did not. William Greider, "The Gipper's Economy", The Nation, June 28, 2004.
Reagan, who more than any president in history railed against government benefits and spending, set the standard for all members of his administration. In addition to his presidential pension of $99,500 a year for life and his annual pension as a former governor of California of $30,800 he received Secret Service protection from forty full-time agents and other security at a cost to the government estimated at $10 million annually, more than double that of other living presidents. A suite of offices atop a new thirty-four-story office building twenty minutes from his home, commanding a view that extended from the Pacific Ocean to the towers of downtown Los Angeles, cost the government $173,000 a year to lease. Haynes Johnson, Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years.
He knows less about the budget than any president in my lifetime. He can't even carry on a conversation about the budget. It's an absolute and utter disgrace. House Speaker Tip O'Neill, http://www.quickchange.com/reagan/1981.html
Reagan's boys called Jimmy Carter a weanie and a wuss although Carter wouldn't give an inch to the Ayatollah. Reagan, with that film-fantasy tough-guy con in front of cameras, went begging like a coward cockroach to Khomeini, pleading on bended knee for the release of our hostages. Greg Palast (June 13, 2004), Reagan, fact and fantasy, The Observer.
And there are much . . . MUCH more at the link. Oh, it's bad.
I mean . . . Iran/Contra was technically high treason and no one seems to get that. He disgraced America, defanged unions, allowed Wall $treet to take the front door to the White House and terrorists to take the back door, made racism fashionable, quashed the progress of education and destroyed any hope of us having Universal Health Care in this country . . . and we're naming national fucking LANDMARKS after this guy????
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Trump reminds me of Reagan in several ways, including a special narcissism that hints of dementia. Also, B-rated entertainer.
moondust
(20,002 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Or any kind of compassion.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Just finished the section on the fall of Nixon and the installation of Ford. It's a long, but very readable book. This is the third of Perlstein's books treating the conservative movement in the second half of the 20th century. He has some interesting insights into Reagan based on his research all the way back to Reagan's boyhood.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I am reading American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and A Nation's Drive to End Welfare, which is obviously about welfare reform. The book claims Newt Gingrich, who became Speaker of the House and lead the Republican charge to end welfare, knew very little about AFDC and had never been on the Ways and Means Committee. Ron Haskins, a Republican aide working to end AFDC was quoted as saying, "We had a million Freshman who could not spell AFDC." On the Democratic side, there were a number of welfare supporters who had never been to a welfare office. Some of the people who joined the Bill Clinton White House, to help reshape welfare visited a welfare office for the first time after they joined the Clinton Administration.
It seem you do not have to know very much in order to be a elected politician. You just have to figure out how to get elected.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, Mencken has been proved right on several (if not more) occasions.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)You've reached this page in error. Please click here to go to Salon.
WOW. So . . . . expected.
Removing history that makes your icon look bad doesn't mean it didn't happen, ya bunch of fucks.
mnhtnbb
(31,401 posts)and yet the right wing in this country practically considers him a saint. My first husband's father was a cameraman
in Hollywood and one of his best friends was the man who was Reagan's agent early in his career. He had some
real stories to tell about how dumb Reagan was--not just ignorant, uninformed--but really dumb.
Having lived in California when he was governor, we certainly saw, firsthand, the damage that his puppet masters
could do. The oligarchs had a fine time honing their skills with Reagan. Then 20 years later, they turned to Bushie
boy.