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Garion_55

(1,915 posts) Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:15 PM Dec 2015

Drugs my brother had in him at the end.....

The doctors had him on some nasty crap.

Lorezepam and carisolprodol seem to be the worst. The withdrawal symptoms sounds like what he was dealing with.

Add some codine and ethanol to the mix and that was enough.

Fucking prescription drugs. Probably doing our nation more bad than good

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Drugs my brother had in him at the end..... (Original Post) Garion_55 Dec 2015 OP

2nd one you mention is aka SOMA...very tricky drug, shouldnt be used probably. randys1 Dec 2015 #1

. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #2

I have plenty of friends when I was younger die from "illegal" drugs. I think now most may die LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #5

Alcohol deaths are still pretty high loyalsister Dec 2015 #8

I imagine alcohol deaths would be much higher Mariana Dec 2015 #9

That's a good point loyalsister Dec 2015 #10

~~~~ Hekate Dec 2015 #11

. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #3

. In_The_Wind Dec 2015 #4

Not sure if privacy concerns prevent his prescriber from talking to you HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #6

The people I've run into who have become addicted to opioids or benzodiazepines Victor_c3 Dec 2015 #7

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randys1

(16,286 posts)

1. 2nd one you mention is aka SOMA...very tricky drug, shouldnt be used probably.

Reply to Garion_55 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:26 PM

Dec 2015

the other is Ativan, brand name.

Sorry to hear about your brother.

Drugs is likely going to take my son, someday, heroin.

I live everyday with knowing this is likely to happen.

Drugs are a problem, RX and so on, but the real problem is how we as a society deal with the problem.

Decriminalize all drugs and build 10,000 new rehabs and methadone/suboxone clinics, for a start.

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

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Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:29 PM

Dec 2015

LiberalArkie

(15,727 posts)

5. I have plenty of friends when I was younger die from "illegal" drugs. I think now most may die

Reply to randys1 (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:39 PM

Dec 2015

not from the drug but the home-made nature of it. King of like alcohol prohibition did years ago. Alcohol deaths dropped demonically when alcohol was legal again and safely manufactured.

I often wonder what would happen if a person could go in a liquor store and buy clean drugs there?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)

8. Alcohol deaths are still pretty high

Reply to LiberalArkie (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:24 PM

Dec 2015

Decriminalization would have to be implemented with a great deal of caution. You wouldn't want a situation where kids can access them as easily as they can alcohol. And, it would be irresponsible to enact such a policy without the input of a physician. Removing the synthetic and criminal elements would be huge advantages. But those would not address the common problem of overconsumption among people who use drugs (including alcohol) recreationally.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)

9. I imagine alcohol deaths would be much higher

Reply to loyalsister (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 08:54 PM

Dec 2015

if there was no way to know how potent any particular drink is. We'd have more drunk driving, more alcohol related falls and other accidents, and more deaths from outright alcohol poisoning. You can't end it completely. There will always be some who go overboard and kill themselves, no matter how many warnings are put on the label. Lots of people die from taking too much Tylenol, too.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)

10. That's a good point

Reply to Mariana (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 09:19 PM

Dec 2015

But, alcohol deaths are on the rise.

nearly 31,000 people died by alcohol in 2014, up from 22,000 in 2006. That means more people died to alcohol in 2014 than the nearly 29,000 who died from opioid — including heroin — overdoses, but fewer than the nearly 34,000 who died to gun violence or car crashes that same year.

The opioid painkiller and heroin epidemic could have made alcohol deadlier. When taken together, alcohol and opioids interact to intensify each other and make each other more dangerous. So it's possible that alcohol deaths rose as more people used — and died from — opioids throughout the 2000s, and many of those deaths were counted as alcohol-induced deaths in the CDC data.

Another factor could be greater use of the anti-anxiety medication, benzodiazepine. About one-third of opioid deaths now involve benzos like Xanax, and these drugs were prescribed more and more throughout the 2000s. Since benzos can intensify alcohol's effects, it's possible they helped cause more alcohol-induced deaths in the same way opioids might have. http://www.vox.com/2015/12/28/10674494/alcohol-deaths-rising

One thing that would make it even worse would be if it were all readily available in retail establishments. Since alcohol toxicity and Tylenol overdose have liver damage in common, I wonder what the chances are that it would be more fatal for someone whose liver was already damaged from alcohol abuse?

Hekate

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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:18 AM

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NCTraveler

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Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:29 PM

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In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)

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Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:37 PM

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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

6. Not sure if privacy concerns prevent his prescriber from talking to you

Reply to Garion_55 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 04:16 PM

Dec 2015

If his treatment will be shared with his next of kin maybe you can better understand why he had those prescriptions.

Maybe that will help you find a path to an acceptance of your terrible loss.

Some of the conditions that lead MDs to prescribe these "f***ing drugs" are not always a picnic, either. Some of the stuff you mention is intended to deal with problems from other things you mention. Why the prescriber recommended these choices is best known by that prescriber.

If your family has questions or doubts about the rationale and quality of treatment you need answers that are only known there.

For me, lorezepam broke an awful cycle of anxiety, insomnia, and frightening effects of insomnia that led to greater anxiety.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)

7. The people I've run into who have become addicted to opioids or benzodiazepines

Reply to Garion_55 (Original post)

Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:22 PM

Dec 2015

All had them prescribed to them first before they started to abuse them.

Hekate

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Tue Dec 29, 2015, 12:19 AM

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