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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:28 AM Dec 2015

OWS: "began in a particular place, sputtered and subsided, only to re-emerge elsewhere"

Not done yet by any means. Just re-emerging!

This is from way down in an article today in The Atlantic Monthly:

Why America Is Moving Left

When academics from the City University of New York went to Zuccotti Park to study the people who had taken it over, they found something striking: 40 percent of the Occupy activists had worked on the 2008 presidential campaign, mostly for Obama. Many of them had hoped that, as president, he would bring fundamental change. Now the collapse of that hope had led them to challenge Wall Street directly. “Disenchantment with Obama was a driver of the Occupy movement for many of the young people who participated,” noted the CUNY researchers. In his book on the movement, Occupy Nation, the Columbia University sociologist Todd Gitlin quotes Jeremy Varon, a close observer of Occupy who teaches at the New School for Social Research, as saying, “This is the Obama generation declaring their independence from his administration. We thought his voice was ours. Now we know we have to speak for ourselves.”


The article does a good job of describing the rise and fall and rise in another form of the Occupy Movement.

For a brief period, Occupy captured the nation’s attention. In December 2011, Gitlin notes, the movement had 143 chapters in California alone. Then it fizzled. But as the political scientist Frances Fox Piven has written, “The great protest movements of history … did not expand in the shape of a simple rising arc of popular defiance. Rather, they began in a particular place, sputtered and subsided, only to re-emerge elsewhere in perhaps a different form, influenced by local particularities of circumstance and culture.”

That’s what happened to Occupy. The movement may have burned out, but it injected economic inequality into the American political debate. (In the weeks following the takeover of Zuccotti Park, media references to the subject rose fivefold.) The same anger that sparked Occupy—directed not merely at Wall Street but at the Democratic Party elites who coddled it—fueled Bill de Blasio’s election and Elizabeth Warren’s rise to national prominence. And without Occupy, it’s impossible to understand why a curmudgeonly Democratic Socialist from Vermont is seriously challenging Hillary Clinton in the early primary states. The day Bernie Sanders announced his candidacy, a group of Occupy veterans offered their endorsement. In the words of one former Occupy activist, Stan Williams, “People who are involved in Occupy are leading the biggest group for Bernie Sanders. Our fingers are all over this.”


I agree with some parts of this next paragraph, but strongly disagree with others.

I think many Democrats in general agree with the leftward movement, but the party's infrastructure is not on board at all. The leadership of the DNC is in full lockstep with the new policy think tank, The Third Way. They are not the majority of our party, but they are seemingly in complete charge for now.

Arguably more significant than the Sanders campaign itself is the way Democratic elites have responded to it. In the late 1980s and the ’90s, they would have savaged him. For the Democratic Leadership Council, which sought to make the party more business-friendly, an avowed Socialist would have been the perfect foil. Today, in a Democratic Party whose guiding ethos is “no enemies to the left,” Sanders has met with little ideological resistance. That’s true not only among intellectuals and activists but among many donors. Journalists often assume that Democrats who write big checks oppose a progressive agenda, at least when it comes to economics. And some do. But as John Judis has reported in National Journal, the Democracy Alliance, the party’s most influential donor club, which includes mega-funders such as George Soros and Tom Steyer, has itself shifted leftward during the Obama years. In 2014, it gave Warren a rapturous welcome when she spoke at the group’s annual winter meeting. Last spring it announced that it was making economic inequality its top priority.


Point 1 disagreement: Sanders IS meeting with ideological resistance. The power of those currently in charge is threatened by such change.

Point 2 disagreement: The savaging of the left took place in 2003/2004, not just in the 80s and 90s. They even had a press conference announcing Dean would not be president.

Point 3 about the Democracy Alliance. They are secretive in which media they are funding, so we really don't know what those mega-donors believe.

Howard Dean said a few months ago not to underestimate Bernie Sanders. I agree, and I also say don't underestimate the remaining power of the shape-changing OWS.

(Posted this in GD rather than GDP primary as it is not really about just this primary, and it is not so much about either candidate as about a movement that started in one form and is morphing. )
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OWS: "began in a particular place, sputtered and subsided, only to re-emerge elsewhere" (Original Post) madfloridian Dec 2015 OP
This matches a lot of my observations at Occupy San Diego nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #1
If media doesn't talk about things, they still go on and get stronger. madfloridian Dec 2015 #12
But I now partially place that blame on the news consumer as well nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #20
The media wanted to squash Occupy when it was still full throat WhaTHellsgoingonhere Dec 2015 #28
Sometimes ideas are strong enough to build on themselves. madfloridian Dec 2015 #29
But it mentions Bernie.... daleanime Dec 2015 #2
But its about OWS. madfloridian Dec 2015 #3
I know, and personally, I agree with you.... daleanime Dec 2015 #5
Well, what do you suggest I do? madfloridian Dec 2015 #8
Well, since nothing has happened so far..... daleanime Dec 2015 #26
..... madfloridian Dec 2015 #30
Very eary on, OWS leaders said they supported Bernie ViseGrip Dec 2015 #4
Many of the OWS protesters that I met are still activists Kalidurga Dec 2015 #6
Good to hear that. madfloridian Dec 2015 #13
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #7
These activists are seriously doing God's work... SacProgressive Dec 2015 #9
Yes, speaking for the voiceless..welcome to DU madfloridian Dec 2015 #10
Thanks! Hope to post here more often SacProgressive Dec 2015 #11
Hope you do. madfloridian Dec 2015 #36
The way that Occupy was beaten down should be a crime. gvstn Dec 2015 #14
Yes. madfloridian Dec 2015 #15
+1000000 SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #21
yes indeed. nashville_brook Dec 2015 #23
Interesting OP dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #16
Nice post... madfloridian Dec 2015 #32
I had heard that the Obama campaign reached out to OWS, OWS refused to be politicized, djean111 Dec 2015 #17
Occupy lives on. I love it. Ideals should outweigh labels and organization affiliations. daybranch Dec 2015 #18
YES! "Ideals should outweigh labels and organization affiliations." madfloridian Dec 2015 #35
K&R emsimon33 Dec 2015 #19
What a great quote WRT Obama FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #22
Finally, an admission: Indydem Dec 2015 #24
Your name-calling doesn't bother me at all. My party has looked down on me since 2003. madfloridian Dec 2015 #25
K&R. nt tblue37 Dec 2015 #27
In the Minneapolis area, Occupy branched out into helping people Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2015 #31
Well said. madfloridian Dec 2015 #33
Nice article and even better analysis of it. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #34
It was a good article... madfloridian Dec 2015 #37
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. This matches a lot of my observations at Occupy San Diego
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:33 AM
Dec 2015

they are still around... but except for us silly independent media, mostly nobody mentions them.

Women Occupy San Diego is literally picking a fight with City Hall, over police oversight. I cover this shit, but it is amazing how much of the local media ignores them, even when they show up with their old tattered t-shirts.

Mark my words, they will do the same with BLM, or any other movement, that for a myriad of reasons, challenges the center.

Oh and the leftward turn is real.

Thanks

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
12. If media doesn't talk about things, they still go on and get stronger.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:50 AM
Dec 2015

Our media is a big failure in every way. I can not bear to turn on the news and hear the same things over and over and all of equal unimportance.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
28. The media wanted to squash Occupy when it was still full throat
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:23 PM
Dec 2015

Occupy failed because...
it lacks leadership
it doesn't have a singular message, they're all over the place

Thanks for the thread

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
29. Sometimes ideas are strong enough to build on themselves.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:30 PM
Dec 2015

I know some politicians who are "all over the place" more than OWS.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
5. I know, and personally, I agree with you....
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:58 AM
Dec 2015

And hopefully I'm not right again. But when ever I'd like to be wrong I'm usually not.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
8. Well, what do you suggest I do?
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 02:21 AM
Dec 2015

It doesn't really belong in either forum, but it mostly belongs in GD.

If it is locked, I can repost it in GDP.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
26. Well, since nothing has happened so far.....
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:12 PM
Dec 2015

I suggest not letting worrywarts like me cause any concern.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
6. Many of the OWS protesters that I met are still activists
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:58 AM
Dec 2015

A few went on to working on foreclosures issues. Some found a home with the anti-war committee in Mpls I recently got to see them as they are working on Bernie Sanders campaign and they hosted a debate party. I ran into a few in my college classes they are working on degrees that will serve them well in activism. I am sure that I will cross paths with others we seem to run in the same circles.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
14. The way that Occupy was beaten down should be a crime.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 04:11 AM
Dec 2015

The Powers That Be decreed that they be dragged off the street and they were. That is not America. If someone wants to sit in front of a skyscraper filled with millionaires and say this isn't fair, they should have that right in the real America.

Disgrace that some occupiers were actually beaten for sitting in their little encampment. And the media virtually silent on the matter. I miss real news anchors like Peter Jennings who would tell you the news with just a bit of empathy shining through.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
16. Interesting OP
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:32 AM
Dec 2015
But as John Judis has reported in National Journal, the Democracy Alliance, the party’s most influential donor club, which includes mega-funders such as George Soros and Tom Steyer, has itself shifted leftward during the Obama years.


I'm pretty sure both Soros and Steyer are suppporting Hillary (certain about Steyer, not about Soros).

My feeling is the party establishment and their wealthy donors are largely opposing any leftward shift, sticking instead to the priorities of business and empire.

On the ground, different story, many people are waking up to the reality that the party has largely been captured by those interests, and are working to correct this.

In my opinion, if Hillary wins it will be a huge step towards the end of the viability of the party. Policies will serve donors rather than voters, the RW will gain cred by pointing this out (though their policies are slightly worse, it won't stop them from hypocritically pointing out her actions in favor of donors), and the young will not see the party as a vehicle of change or of representing their interests.

The party has to change or a large powerful force may open to its left, enabling Republican electoral victories as the emergent left grows to a size large enough to win national elections.

It would all work itself out in time, problem is we don't have time, we have a global uprising against our imperial actions, and we have rapidly accelerating irreversible climate change that demands radical change and committment.

We need leaders who stand firmly against powerful MIC, fossil fuel, and financial system interests, NOW, which requires electing leaders without their money.

Bernie's campaign is a great opportunity, and I hope we don't waste it. Thanks for the OP and all of your efforts here!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
32. Nice post...
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:48 PM
Dec 2015

This sentence stands out:

My feeling is the party establishment and their wealthy donors are largely opposing any leftward shift, sticking instead to the priorities of business and empire.
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
17. I had heard that the Obama campaign reached out to OWS, OWS refused to be politicized,
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:46 AM
Dec 2015

and that was when the crackdown started. OWS refused to serve a master. So Obama decided to attack it.
And I am sure that presidential whip Jamie Dimon had a few choice words about OWS.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
18. Occupy lives on. I love it. Ideals should outweigh labels and organization affiliations.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 05:46 AM
Dec 2015

I contributed financially to both funding local occupy groups, and discussing ideals and ideas with them, including how to cope with the cold weather and providing some insulating materials and clothing etc.. As progressives, I and many others locally supported their actions, some were much more financially supportive. Today that activity has created a bond between us that Will never die as the ideals of occupy weill not die. Occupy is progressivism and their efforts of self-sacrifice and standing up give us more strength. They have demonstrated that the young and the old can collaborate and together work towards a better future. Occupy visibility alerted many of us to who were the true progressives within our party and allowed us to join together. In many ways our reactions and discussions of Black Lives Matter is doing the same things and evolving into a more general agreement and much more specific knowledge as we read other points long and continually supported by valid research such as Howard Zinn's arguably and informative book "The People"s History of the United States". In fact at a men's club meeting I chaired, I talked about the need of African Americans and Whites to bond if we are going to achieve our common goals and that by becoming educated through reading coupled with discussion we could do this. It is working to achieve that trust and bonding. I am sure that Occupy , Sierra Club and many others have caused more common understanding . Today the progressive movement and Bernie Sanders in particular embraces the goals of these organizations authentically as a matter of long held conscience. Occupy has done wonders for the Progressive movement. We love all who participated and those who still have local Occupy organization. I do ask Occupy, Sierra Club, and civic organizations one thing, if you believe in the same ideals as Bernie Sanders, recognize that your support as volunteers and donors when possible is important to prevent the country from moving further away from the ideas you believe in. today the most important thing you can do is elect someone who can't be bought and works continuously for us. Join us in the revolution-its for us!

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
22. What a great quote WRT Obama
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:00 AM
Dec 2015
"We thought his voice was ours. Now we know we have to speak for ourselves.”

By the way, as a middle aged male I consider one of my life's great moments as being present at Zuccotti park on DAY 1 of OWS
 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
24. Finally, an admission:
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 11:35 AM
Dec 2015

The anti-capitalists, communists, and anarchists behind OWS have their "fingers all over" the rise of Bernard Sanders (I-VT).

This should do wonders for his campaign among the millions of Americans who thought OWS was a bunch of whiney babies looking for free stuff.

Oh wait... Sounds like the Bernouts.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
25. Your name-calling doesn't bother me at all. My party has looked down on me since 2003.
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 12:08 PM
Dec 2015

And in my very red conservative fundamentalist area of Florida I as a liberal am considered weird....so name call all you want.

It just doesn't touch me at all.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
31. In the Minneapolis area, Occupy branched out into helping people
Thu Dec 31, 2015, 01:24 PM
Dec 2015

who were being unjustly foreclosed on.

In New York, they were the first ones in with relief when Hurricane Sandy hit.

In Portland, they ran a mobile free clinic.

Occupy is not dead. Just under the MSM radar.

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