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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:01 PM Jan 2016

Oregon was founded as a racist utopia.

When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon’s founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west.


Waddles Coffee Shop in Portland, Oregon was a popular restaurant in the 1950s for both locals and travelers alike. The drive-in catered to America’s postwar obsession with car culture, allowing people to get coffee and a slice of pie without even leaving their vehicle. But if you happened to be black, the owners of Waddles implored you to keep on driving. The restaurant had a sign outside with a very clear message: “White Trade Only — Please.”

It’s the kind of scene from the 1950s that’s so hard for many Americans to imagine happening outside of the Jim Crow South. How could a progressive, northern city like Portland have allowed a restaurant to exclude non-white patrons? This had to be an anomaly, right? In reality it was far too common in Oregon, a state that was explicitly founded as a kind of white utopia.


America’s history of racial discrimination is most commonly taught as a southern issue. That’s certainly how I learned about it while going to Minnesota public schools in the 1980s and 90s. White people outside of the South seem to learn about the Civil War and civil rights movements from an incredibly safe (and often judgmental) distance.








http://gizmodo.com/oregon-was-founded-as-a-racist-utopia-1539567040?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow







Some of these Y'all Qeada yahoos have a long generational history of right wing reactionary nonsense.

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Oregon was founded as a racist utopia. (Original Post) sufrommich Jan 2016 OP
thanks for that bit of forgotten history. and to think that oregon has a bit of a progressive niyad Jan 2016 #1
I think a lot of us like to pretend this crap is sufrommich Jan 2016 #2
the sanitized version of "history" that most are taught in schools tends to bury these facts. niyad Jan 2016 #4
It is a "southern thing," but not exclusively so. Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #27
No. From Wisconsin, Maine, to SoCal, there is no exception to... Anansi1171 Jan 2016 #30
No, it is not a "southern thing". Tipperary Jan 2016 #75
That's what I said. +1 Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #78
A well-deserved image, though. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #7
It's an odd article, and that's a charitable assesment. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #24
"And to think"... Yeah, the first openly LGBT governor in US history Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #18
please note that I am responding to the OP, and nowhere did I attack the state. try again. niyad Jan 2016 #66
The OP about an article which asserts that "Keep Portland Weird" is coded racism. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #69
do try again. nowhere was I responding to something called "keep portland weird". but keep niyad Jan 2016 #70
So you didn't read the article you were responding to, then? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #73
your responses have ceased to be even mildly amusing. you keep referencing some article niyad Jan 2016 #74
Uh, yeah, the paragraph in the OP is taken from a gizmodo article, which is also linked in the OP. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Jan 2016 #77
+1 Buzz Clik Jan 2016 #26
These assholes aren't from Oregon. This is about as germane as saying the KKK cali Jan 2016 #3
Yeah, I was puzzled by that comment. demmiblue Jan 2016 #9
It's the climate chalmers Jan 2016 #11
Racism in Connecticut Bucky Jan 2016 #15
you mean the weather? Or the people? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #28
Someone apparently has an axe to grind. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #19
Not for nothing.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #5
While you are correct about Oregon history, and we certainly have our share of bubbas, in general OregonBlue Jan 2016 #6
+1 I think it serves little to brow-beat the present because of the sins of the distant past...nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #8
well not overtly... NE portland comes to mind but then again thats being changed to Gresham with boomer55 Jan 2016 #13
Sun Down Towns in Oregon chalmers Jan 2016 #10
Important history... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #12
I can't wait for the episode of Portlandia mwrguy Jan 2016 #14
Sure, sort of like how you find so many Henry Hyde fans on LaSalle Street in Chicago. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #29
Here's an article that attempts to rank the states by racism. OR is 43rd Bucky Jan 2016 #16
Portland has a naked bike ride and they allow legal weed and strip clubs. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #32
huh? what? Bucky Jan 2016 #64
The idea that Oregon is some sort of hotbed of Right-Wing White Supremacy is ludicrous. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #65
Well by all means, then, don't move here. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #79
Fortunately everyone responsible for that debacle is dead now, and Oregon is a shining beacon Takket Jan 2016 #20
if vegan strip clubs, fair trade coffee and legal pot arent racist, I DONT KNOW WHAT IS! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #22
The article also tries to assert that "keep portland weird" is somehow a racist sentiment. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #21
Listening to NPR interview with Steve Grasty, judge of Harney County OR, ucrdem Jan 2016 #23
Population of Harney County, Oregon: 7,146 Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #25
That may be but the point is that the locals aren't unsympathetic. ucrdem Jan 2016 #33
Actually, from everything I've read, the locals ARE unsympathetic. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #34
Okay the county judge was lying. ucrdem Jan 2016 #35
From the interview: Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #37
It is what it is. The cause is local and the locals aren't calling for the green berets. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #41
The locals also said they would be the ones to have to collect the bodies and patch the holes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #44
Not in this interview. nt ucrdem Jan 2016 #52
Oregonian: "Burns residents confront militia over fears of violence" Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #57
Is Michigan still ripping babies out of the arms of their mothers over medical marijuana? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #31
What the hell is wrong with you? You've been all over sufrommich Jan 2016 #83
"that simply points out that the anti government racist yahoos in your state" - why? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #84
But the people who did this aren't FROM Oregon. pa28 Jan 2016 #36
Oh, I'm sure there's a reason. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #38
The burning need to feel superior? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #40
Interestingly enough, Oregon is the most secular state in the Union. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #59
Actually I understand the reasoning. Here is a political rally in Portland not long ago. pa28 Jan 2016 #42
Yep. I have no doubt that's part of it. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #46
Are all the people in the federal building actually from Oregon? LittleBlue Jan 2016 #39
The OP seems to have posted the thread and then left. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #49
Oregon is a racist utopia if I ever saw one! LittleBlue Jan 2016 #53
Keep Portland Weird means "white power", derp Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #55
That isn't nearly H2O Man Jan 2016 #43
There is an agenda at play here, I suspect. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #48
I have enjoyed H2O Man Jan 2016 #51
It's not hard to find fucked up shit if you dig into the history of anywhere in this country, Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #54
Isn't this true for most of the western states? apnu Jan 2016 #45
Yes, Oregon is exactly like Utah. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #47
Nor did I. apnu Jan 2016 #50
That would also be the description of the 13 colonies. former9thward Jan 2016 #63
when you get right down to it, the entire USA was founded as a racist utopia steve2470 Jan 2016 #56
i suspect Oregon is supposed to apologize for legalizing pot and supporting Bernie Sanders Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #58
+1 nt steve2470 Jan 2016 #68
As a proud Floridian annoyed by the broadbrushing of entire states via its worst citizens.... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #60
Oh, hell yes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #61
There are jerks everywhere but eastern Oregon is changing. pa28 Jan 2016 #62
An oldie but a goodie. KamaAina Jan 2016 #67
Also worth remembering in this context (since Bundy is a Mormon): Spider Jerusalem Jan 2016 #71
No it wasn't. It was just that America's racists founding Oregon. Land grabbing isn't utopia. L. Coyote Jan 2016 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #80
Wait until they discover Portland's a strip club capital. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #81
I think you're on to something, there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #82

niyad

(113,471 posts)
1. thanks for that bit of forgotten history. and to think that oregon has a bit of a progressive
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jan 2016

image these days.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
2. I think a lot of us like to pretend this crap is
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jan 2016

a "southern thing",it's not and never has been exclusive to southerners.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
27. It is a "southern thing," but not exclusively so.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

Indiana, the state of Washington, and other western states still have significant strongholds.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
30. No. From Wisconsin, Maine, to SoCal, there is no exception to...
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jan 2016

...states having legalized, pervasive and institutionalized racism and those barriers or their functional remnants are everywhere to be seen.

Unless, that is, if you think the divide between white and black is because of the knockout game and you call people on DU bad words, like "liberal". If so, Oregon is a paradise of natural wonders, beer and good times.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. A well-deserved image, though.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

Despite the conservatism of most of rural Oregon, it's been a reliably blue state for a long time now.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. It's an odd article, and that's a charitable assesment.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016

They try to assert that "keep portland weird" really means "keep out the minorities".

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. "And to think"... Yeah, the first openly LGBT governor in US history
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

We also have legalized marijuana and even stronger free speech protections than the US constitution, both things that drive would-be authoritarians (not that we have any of those on our side, of course) positively bonkers.

If you've ever been out to eastern Oregon, it's beautiful, but empty. To try to indict the very blue, very progressive state of 6 million because some wyoming ranchers and their yahoo pals took over a bird sanctuary in the middle of nowhere...

Silly.

niyad

(113,471 posts)
70. do try again. nowhere was I responding to something called "keep portland weird". but keep
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

it up, we can all use the laughs.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
73. So you didn't read the article you were responding to, then?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jan 2016

Let me run it down. The year-old article is dug up and posted with blanket, broad-brush assertions about Oregon (I'm not the only one who noticed, BTW) along with some spurious linkage to the current situation in Burns, oblivious -either via deliberateness or ignorance- to the fact that the people driving the crazy train down there are coming in from out of state, specifically the Bundy Ranch clown show from Nevada.

While the historical stuff is interesting, to be sure, it's pretty indisputable that you can't dig back 150 years in ANY part of this country and not uncover some ugliness around racism.. where the piece jumps the shark, again, is by trying to connect it to modern day phenomena, like (as I said) the popular slogan "Keep Portland Weird"... somehow implying that it's really saying "Keep Portland White", an assertion which this LA-based author seems to have yanked whole cloth, magician-like, out of his own rectum.


As to whether .... whoever.. can use the laughs, of that I have no doubt. I suspect entertainment is pretty sparse and frikkin' hard to come by, in certain sectors.

niyad

(113,471 posts)
74. your responses have ceased to be even mildly amusing. you keep referencing some article
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jan 2016

which is NOT the OP (the post to which I was responding). but, keep trying.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
76. Uh, yeah, the paragraph in the OP is taken from a gizmodo article, which is also linked in the OP.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jan 2016

Maybe you should go back and look at it again?

The editorializing from the DU member is only the last sentence, but like I said, it's trying to imply that this year old article with its spurious assertions about the character of the state of Oregon is somehow relevant to this standoff situation which is being driven by right wing crazies from Nevada.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #76)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. These assholes aren't from Oregon. This is about as germane as saying the KKK
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

was originally a democratic organization

demmiblue

(36,866 posts)
9. Yeah, I was puzzled by that comment.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jan 2016

Perhaps the OP isn't aware of all the complexities regarding this situation.

Bucky

(54,035 posts)
15. Racism in Connecticut
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

This might be worth a listen, before you conclude the Northeast doesn't have it's own unique brand of structural racism

http://wnpr.org/post/new-england-kind-racism#stream/0

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. Someone apparently has an axe to grind.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

Personally, if it means fewer uptight east coast types move here only to start complaining endlessly about things like the nude nike ride, the legal pot, the pirate festival, or the vegan strip clubs, it's a win win.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
5. Not for nothing....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

but so was the entire ( what we call) Western Hemisphere.

Pretty much, anyway.

Good post, though.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
6. While you are correct about Oregon history, and we certainly have our share of bubbas, in general
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jan 2016

Oregon is not a very racist state. Not even Eastern Oregon. Things have changed a lot since the 50's.

 

boomer55

(592 posts)
13. well not overtly... NE portland comes to mind but then again thats being changed to Gresham with
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

the gentrification

go downtown and count the homeless/street people by race then hit the online mugshots and count the faces of non whites and compare the percentage there to the percentage as a whole in the state.

tons of racism going on just not alot of in your face name calling these days.

 

chalmers

(288 posts)
10. Sun Down Towns in Oregon
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

Ashland
Astoria
Coos Bay
Dallas
Eugene
Florence
Grants Pass
Jacksonville
La Grande
Lake Oswego
Lebanon
McMinnville
Medford
Milton
Monroe
Oakridge
Oregon City
Pendleton
Roseburg
Salem
Springfield
The Dalles
Tillamook
Toledo

http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?state=OR

Bucky

(54,035 posts)
16. Here's an article that attempts to rank the states by racism. OR is 43rd
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racists-states-us/page3.asp

Of course Mississippi & Alabama are #1 & #2. My home state (YeeHawwww!) came in 3rd. Sorry, but Texas racism is what Oregon racism wants to be when it grows up.

Interestingly, in this article (actually a collection of personal anecdotes about racists who come from each state) we find out that, even with 42 states being assessed as more racist than Oregon, we still hear testimonials like this:

Portland is VERY racist and they do know it{.} I'm a white woman married to a black man and have mixed kids... We don't live inside Portland but on the out skirts{,} but anytime we go to the store and my husband hands anyone cash they put his change on the counter they will not hand it to him in his hand and people stare at us everywhere we go. I have recently gotten VERY AWARE of {h}ow deep the hate of people here in Oregon City is since my son started going to school. {H}e is one of only 3 black children in the whole school... The kid's were telling my son that they wouldn't play with him because he's black and black people steal and black people go to jail... So as his mother I went directly to the principal who tried to brush it off by saying "kids will be kids"


I lived in West Linn just outside of Portland, and I have to say that there is a lot of racism in Oregon. It's just very hush hush, you know they don't want to seem behind or stupid up there. When me and my husband first got married we went to visit a family friend of my in laws just outside of Portland and the first thing she said was "I bet your mom was real happy to see that you didn't bring home a little n***** girl". I guess she just assumed that everyone in Mississippi are African American. I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast and there are tons on interracial couples and biracial people. I grew up with just as many African American friends as white and I never have been spoken to in Mississippi like I was in Oregon.


Portland wants to be perceived as a city of liberals. But most of these liberals are secretly very racist towards people of color.

As an elderly Asian woman, born, raised, college educated in the U.S., and living in a middle-class neighborhood in the city, I experience and witness racism everyday.

I also experience this with the Portland police who are only there to protect the white male.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. Portland has a naked bike ride and they allow legal weed and strip clubs.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jan 2016

So obviously, there's a racism problem, duh.



Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
65. The idea that Oregon is some sort of hotbed of Right-Wing White Supremacy is ludicrous.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jan 2016

And that's the undercurrent being promoted in this thread, from the earliest posts on; "and to think it has a reputation as progressive".



I mean, yes, there are right-wing fuckos in every state, but lets get real.

The linked article even tries to assert that "keep portland weird" contains embedded coded racism. So who is "babbling"?


Not to mention the fact that these are outside agitators responsible for this current ledger of shit.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. Well by all means, then, don't move here.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jan 2016

Lord knows there are no right-wing fuckos in, say, downstate Illinois.

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #17)

Takket

(21,584 posts)
20. Fortunately everyone responsible for that debacle is dead now, and Oregon is a shining beacon
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

of the progressive movement.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. The article also tries to assert that "keep portland weird" is somehow a racist sentiment.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:10 PM
Jan 2016

...right.

i've lived here 10 years, the only confederate flags I've seen have been on tv.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
23. Listening to NPR interview with Steve Grasty, judge of Harney County OR,
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

who says "we," being the county govt and community of Harney County, agree with the principles exhorted by the occupiers. He doesn't sound particularly disturbed, though he says the tactics are wrong and he wants a peaceful resolution.

Hoo boy.

Here & Now’s Meghna Chakrabarti discussed this with Harney County Judge Steven Grasty, who spoke for the county court in saying “while the principles behind their arguments I think most of us agree with, we [in] no way, shape, or form condone or support the actions of these militia groups.”

Grasty added that his community often worries about “excessive government regulation,” but most people would like the outside militia groups to leave the area, especially given that “their very principles are that they think local control oughta take place. Our citizens are questioning why there’s an outside group like this, coming in and trying to put their values on top of ones that in many cases don’t line up with local values.”

While the local government has no communication with the militia groups, Grasty said that he and his colleagues would like to keep the situation “non-confrontational.”

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2016/01/04/armed-group-oregon-federal-land

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
33. That may be but the point is that the locals aren't unsympathetic.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

So unless the Bundy crowd damages anything it's probably best to handle this non-confrontationally.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. From the interview:
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:14 PM
Jan 2016
his community often worries about “excessive government regulation,” but most people would like the outside militia groups to leave the area.


That does not sound to me like an unqualified endorsement, not even close.

Guess what? When I read about the Georgia Swat Team that threw a flash grende into Baby Bou-Bou's crib "becuz of teh Drugz drugz ZOMG DRUGZZZ!!!!", I worry about excessive government regulation, too.


The point is, the locals don't want these people here. Whether or not they think the charges against the ranchers are excessive or not, is immaterial, because they are not supporting these out of state milita asshats. Even the ranchers themselves haven't asked for this. This is grandstanding by the Bundy crowd, and they are from Nevada.


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
44. The locals also said they would be the ones to have to collect the bodies and patch the holes.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

That's a quote.

So if they're not clamoring for a full on guns blazin' federal invasion over a remote bird museum, but instead telling these people "please leave- we dont want you here"

...Can you really blame them?

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
83. What the hell is wrong with you? You've been all over
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jan 2016

this OP dreaming up feverish conspiratorial excuses for an article that simply points out that the anti government racist yahoos in your state and region aren't people who should be referred to as "y'all" qeada,there's no "y'all" being uttered there. Did you really search the internet for bad things to say about Michigan?? I'm well aware of Michigan's problems,I don't lose my shit when it's pointed out on the internet. Not all of Oregon is Portland and the northwest has a long history of being a breeding ground for white power,anti government groups,including eastern Oregon.Your need to turn this into a conspirital attack on Bernie Sanders,marijuana,strip clubs and whatever else you threw in there is truly unhinged.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
84. "that simply points out that the anti government racist yahoos in your state" - why?
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

The people driving this crap are from Nevada.

So why was it so important to take a big ol' shot at Oregon, here? The "Y'allQaedas" in question are coming in from out of state. The folks in Burns have made it expressly clear they don't want them there.

I suspect I'm more spot on here than you want to let on.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
36. But the people who did this aren't FROM Oregon.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jan 2016

You've glibly stereotyped an entire state.

Some of these Y'all Qeada yahoos have a long generational history of right wing reactionary nonsense.

What is your point? How are you connecting these things? Why am I even bothering at this point?








Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
40. The burning need to feel superior?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jan 2016

DU seems to maintain a list of groups acceptable to stereotype or attack as needed for that very reason. Looks like Oregonians have been added to list. You'll have it worse than atheists, I reckon, but better than smokers.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
59. Interestingly enough, Oregon is the most secular state in the Union.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

Im sure someone will try to spin that as a character flaw, too.

It would appear our side has its own little "family values" authoritarian coffee klatch.


pa28

(6,145 posts)
42. Actually I understand the reasoning. Here is a political rally in Portland not long ago.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jan 2016


The only possible reason for something like that is because Oregon is a "racist utopia". Right? Expect them to trot that one out when Bernie wins the primary here.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
46. Yep. I have no doubt that's part of it.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

Also we are annoyingly pro-freedom on issues like pot legalization, the 1st Amendment, etc --- and that really chafes the authoritarians, I've noticed.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
39. Are all the people in the federal building actually from Oregon?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

If not, this is a pretty lame attempt to slander a state. Pretty sure Bundy and his spawn aren't from Oregon.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
53. Oregon is a racist utopia if I ever saw one!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016


Look at the poor reception Obama received!

Seven recs, though. This is pretty high for her.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Keep Portland Weird means "white power", derp
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jan 2016

it explains why I keep seeing biodeisel fueled VW buses with both sanders stickers and confederate flags!!!!

H2O Man

(73,573 posts)
43. That isn't nearly
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

as important, as what it is like today. If one were to consider Eugene, OP, for example, they would find it to be one of the most progressive cities in North America.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
48. There is an agenda at play here, I suspect.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016

I think when someone tries to assert that "keep portland weird" is somehow coded racism, we have ventured well off the field of anything resembling logical argument.

H2O Man

(73,573 posts)
51. I have enjoyed
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jan 2016

reading your responses on this OP/thread. I figured that it was important to point out the error in perception in the OP's century-old history. And, the more I read and re-read it, the more I agree that there is something "unsaid" being communicated.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. It's not hard to find fucked up shit if you dig into the history of anywhere in this country,
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

Of course.

And there are assholes and good people in every state in the union.

But it's undeniable that oregon, taken in whole, is an overwhelmingly blue, progressive state. The first openly LGBT governor in US history. Two solidly progressive (albeit in different ways) Senators. Legal Marijuana. A constitution with stronger free speech protections than even the US 1st Amendment.

I'm very proud of my state, and while I acknowledge that some of the rural, far less populated areas are red (a situation common to most states, I would think, even New York) it is worth noting that the locals are not responsible for this standoff situation nor do they particularly welcome it.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
45. Isn't this true for most of the western states?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jan 2016

Look at Utah, the Mormon utopia state. Its still generally f'd up.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
50. Nor did I.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jan 2016

Just pointing out that the founding of many western states came from people who were pushing out with weird agendas and/or trying to preserve a way of life that was no longer socially acceptable by the nation.

That does fit the creation of Oregon and Utah.

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
63. That would also be the description of the 13 colonies.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

I love how people who like to slam states ignore their own history.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,185 posts)
60. As a proud Floridian annoyed by the broadbrushing of entire states via its worst citizens....
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

....e.g. the constant "Florida Man" threads you see here, I can't say how this is relevant today or how it reflects on the state as a whole today.

That being said, I do have a question for Oregonians......given that Oregon is a very large state in terms of land area, with most of the population geared towards the Western coastal areas of the state, is there a significant cultural difference between the Western part of the state and the rural Eastern part of the state? I'm talking in terms of general mindset.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
61. Oh, hell yes.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

Eastern Oregon is, in many places, better characterized as Western Idaho.

But, then, as I note elsewhere in this thread, this pronounced blue/red urban/rural dichotomy is common to many, if not most, states, including many of the more traditionally "liberal" ones- Illinois, New York and California all spring immediately to mind.

Still, Portland Metro - specifically Multnomah county, with approx 750,000 residents--- and the Coastal/I-5 areas swing most of the Demographic weight in Oregon, which is why our politics are reliably blue.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
62. There are jerks everywhere but eastern Oregon is changing.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

I live near Bend, it's the population center on the east side of the cascades and it's just recently turned blue. It's mostly well educated, younger, outdoor minded people.

The type of people the OP is referring to still exist in Oregon but it's become a badly outdated stereotype.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
71. Also worth remembering in this context (since Bundy is a Mormon):
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

the Mormon church taught that black skin was the "mark of Cain" (this was due to Brigham Young being a racist, so far as I can tell; Joseph Smith was an abolitionist).

And further:


The Great Compromise of 1850 allowed California into the Union as a free state while permitting Utah and New Mexico territories the option of deciding the issue by "popular sovereignty". In 1852, the Utah Territorial Legislature officially sanctioned slavery in Utah Territory. At that time, Brigham Young was governor, and the Utah Territorial Legislature was dominated by church leaders.[26] The Utah slavery law stipulated that slaves would be freed if their masters had sexual relations with them; attempted to take them from the territory against their will; or neglected to feed, clothe, or provide shelter to them. In addition, the law stipulated that slaves must receive schooling.

Utah was the only western state or territory that had slaves in 1850,[27] but slavery was never important economically in Utah, and there were fewer than 100 slaves in the territory.[5] In 1860, the census showed that 29 of the 59 black people in Utah Territory were slaves.[citation needed] When the American Civil War broke out in 1861, Utah sided with the Union, and slavery ended in 1862 when the United States Congress abolished slavery in the Utah Territory.
Racial restriction policy

Under the racial restrictions that lasted from the presidency of Brigham Young until 1978, persons with any black African ancestry could not hold the priesthood in the LDS Church and could not participate in most temple ordinances, including the endowment and celestial marriage. Black people were permitted to be members of the church, and to participate in some temple ordinances, such as baptism for the dead.[28]

The racial restriction policy was applied to black Africans, persons of black African descent, and any one with mixed race that included any black African ancestry. The policy was not applied to Native Americans, Hispanics, Melanesians, or Polynesians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormonism#In_Utah_Territory

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
72. No it wasn't. It was just that America's racists founding Oregon. Land grabbing isn't utopia.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

So, are you surprised that people who genocidally exterminated a swath across a continent stealing all the land were racists?

Response to sufrommich (Original post)

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
81. Wait until they discover Portland's a strip club capital.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

The gasps of horror will be audible from overseas...

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