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are they unaware of them, or what?
And I'm not just talking about the one on the rug -- there are more, full frontal.
If our candidate runs against Trump, is this a fair issue to bring up? Or do we just pretend the photos don't exist because we're better than the Rethugs are, and why shouldn't a former porn star make a great First Lady?
P.S. Some of the nude photos included another beauty, too. I wonder what Kim Davis would think.
ON EDIT: And they're positioning her as the next Jackie Kennedy.
http://www.tampabay.com/incoming/shed-be-the-only-first-lady-to-have-posed-in-the-buff/2247950
"She provides great balance" to Trump, said Roger Stone, the candidate's former political adviser who has known the couple since before they were married. She is smart "not just an armpiece," Stone said. "She would be the most glamourous first lady since Jackie Kennedy."
Vinca
(50,303 posts)I'd ask for a link, but if I go to a site like that I'll have weird ads following me around google for the rest of my life. LOL.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)screen shot from a video.
And a couple of the photos involved another beauty.
It was a site called celeb jihad, where they also post other photos of famous people with pasts.
randr
(12,414 posts)Yupy
(154 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)She was a model. She did photo shoots.
Maybe the list of things women are allowed to do is longer than it used to be.
Aside from which market studies of Internet porn consistently demonstrate significantly higher consumption in the "Bible belt" states.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2801376/are-religious-people-likely-watch-porn-bible-belt-enjoys-adult-content-liberal-states-claims-study.html
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)Kim Davis and Ted Cruz wouldn't care about a First Lady starring in nude photos with another woman in an intimate position?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They didn't care that Reagan was divorced either.
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)The Reagans were married on March 4, 1952. Their daughter Patti was born seven months later, on Oct. 21, 1952.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)counting backward on your fingers...
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Ten lunar months is the standard pregnancy length -- 280 days.
Mendocino
(7,505 posts)BJ Queen of Hollywood
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Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)...and be fine with the sort of thing they'd condemn a person for if there wasn't an "R" next to their name (remember how they went after Ashley Judd for doing a nude scene?) is the height of hypocrisy
cali
(114,904 posts)pnwmom
(108,992 posts)and they look like her.
So there are pics of her engaged in sex acts? Pics of her exposed genitalia? Or are you referring to modeling pics?
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)be wearing something for them to be modeling pics. One of them depicts her lying skin to skin with another woman.
There's a site called celeb jihad that turned up when I typed her name in Google images. That's where I saw them.
cali
(114,904 posts)In any case, the onlypiconthat horrible site that is clearly melania is the one of her on donald's plane.
I think what you're doing is ugly sexist shit. Ironic
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)with only her hand over her crotch is clearly her?
What is she modeling?
For the record, I'm a feminist who thinks porn is often demeaning to women, not liberating. But I know opinions differ.
cali
(114,904 posts)pnwmom
(108,992 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Fake porn shots are an Internet "thing".
A lot of them are very well done.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)he can't afford it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What is the cause of action here?
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)or mislabeled another woman's photo with her name.
You'd think at the least his lawyer would have sent a letter demanding they take the photos down.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And you mean "her" lawyer.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)wouldn't have any trouble convincing a jury regarding some of these photos that knowingly and falsely labeling them was defamation -- damaging to her reputation.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)They didn't just show up recently. They've been around for years now, long before this election cycle. A number of sites ran them quite a few years back. There was discussion about them back then.
They weren't "porn" pics but they would be considered racy since they included full frontal with another female.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Nailzberg
(4,610 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)You have to specifically add "nude" to your search. Weird that you would do that and then act all pearl clutchy about it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So were some vintage porn pics that wingnuts believed looked something like Ann Dunham.
Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)My guess is their reaction would be along the lines of "Gawd damn....the Donald's got a porno star wife? Geeesh, if I vote for him maybe I'LL get a porn star too!!!"
I'm only half joking.
These porn shots of the latest Mrs. Trump have been all over the Internet forever. The Trumpenstein camp is hoping they don't get wide(r) circulation before any critical southern BibleBelt primaries.
randr
(12,414 posts)waving a large poster of our possible First Lady in all her nudity, and I use that phrase sarcastically.
Something to make the kids proud of their country--NOT.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)pnwmom
(108,992 posts)So I guess you're in the "we're better than that" camp -- even if he wins the election based in part on people who wouldn't vote for him if they knew.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)about what other people do as long as it's harmless to others" camp.
I don't and wouldn't give a single hoot one way or the other no matter if it's Il Douche or any other candidate. What about that is difficult to comprehend?
Staph
(6,253 posts)simply for wearing sleeveless dresses.
Melania might be able to get away with nude photos, but a Democratic candidate or candidate's wife would be denounced as the Whore of Babylon!
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Right now, he's their problem, not ours.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)And he's attacking the spouse of our candidate?
Which he will, no matter who it is.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I'm quite sure that he'll stoop to attacking our eventual nominee's family. The man is a straight up asshole.
But I still wouldn't slut shame his wife. It's so prudishly American. I've always hated that shit.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)If Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton had done photos like that, it's all we'd hear about for decades
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)They don't care his business has gone bankrupt four times.
Or that they're Good Christian Men and Women supporting a man who's made SERIOUS bank selling gambling and alcohol. (And how many porn channels are on your hotels' television systems, Donald?)
Or that he makes about 40 percent of his income selling his name, and we don't know everyone he's sold it to. Some of them are probably pretty unsavory.
And let's not forget the hotel industry is a YOOGE employer of illegal immigrants. Has anyone bothered to drag The Donald's historical personnel records across e-Verify?
Compared to all the REAL atrocities Trump has perpetrated, whether his wife has internet porn photos is pretty damn low. Besides, wives of Republican candidates are off limits to criticism...remember, we weren't supposed to mention Cindy McCain is the biggest beer distributor in Arizona. (However, this little historical fact is, I believe, the real reason he inflicted Sarah Palin on the world: the Bible Thumpers promised to stay home on election day if McCain didn't put a fundamentalist Christian on his ticket, and they chose Palin.) We also weren't supposed to mention that Saint Ronnie dumped his first wife for Nancy because Nancy was so proficient at performing oral sex. But by DAMN did we hear all about the fucking Rose Law Firm, now didn't we?
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Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Not a fair or relevant issue.
1 - Trump didn't get nude (barf!)
2 -Not relevant to issues or politics. That kind of attack would be pretty desperate.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Paladin
(28,272 posts)None of this "We're better than they are" crap. Not at this stage in the game.
If you want to talk the talk you have to follow up by walking the walk, and that means not engaging in pointless personal attacks. I don't think anyone should be attacked for having engaged in sex work, and I have a correspondingly low opinion of people who engage in such attacks. Since that group now appears to include you, I'm going to be much less receptive to anything you have to say in the future because you have shown yourself to be someone who is comfortable with degrading others for your own advantage.
See how that works?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Not just her but all of his foreign born, tossed aside for the younger model, cheated on wives.
This isn't tiddlywinks.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Incidentally I don't believe Trump's allegations about Bill Clinton are well-founded, and in any case I have no wish to go emulating Donald Trump in any respect whatsoever. But you're saying that because Trump has accused Bill Clinton of a crime, it's OK to accuse Trump's wife of something that's...not a crime.
Stop looking for an excuse to engage in hateful behavior.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)Accuse him of being a cheater, wife abuser and rapist. What do you think they would do if Michelle Obama was posing nude? If Liz Warren had. So on and so forth.
Taking the high road against a sleazeball like this isn't an option.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)You said his wife is fair game, now you're saying something different. I don't give a fuck what they would say if Michelle Obama or any other Democratic politician had posed nude; why would I want to imitate a bunch of hateful misogynists?
I have no problem with anyone attacking Trump. I have a problem with attacking his wife over this completely non-political past choice to pose for nude photographs and using him as justification. You should take a long hard look at yourself.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)We don't need to point fingers like that. It is something Republicons do to try to shame women for doing whatever they do whether it is right wrong or neutral. Now if she says something about how other women who do the same thing are slutty then go ahead slam her do whatever to her for being a hypocrite. In that case she brought it on herself.
And no if we are going to say that women should be able to pose nude and not have people think they are bad people for doing that we can't attack any woman on the issue even if she is married to a racist sexist jerk.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)And Trump criticizes Hillary for "enabling" them?
Bill brought that on himself by cheating. And in at least one case he admitted by payment guilt of sexual abuse. A woman posing nude has neither hurt her partner if she has been fully honest with her partner nor has she hurt anyone else. It's not illegal and she didn't use her social position to abuse someone.
As for Hillary being an enabler she may have been she probably wasn't. I would need to see some hard and real evidence she looked the other way when it became apparent Pres Clinton had a problem with boundries.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)As opposed to going after his wife for the completely legal behavior of showing off her own body for money, which I don't think is going to attract a single vote, but is more likely to reduce turnout among more casual voters.
Johonny
(20,888 posts)nothing Trump does seems to sway his supporters against him. We can assume the 30-40 percent that want to vote for Trump are going to vote for him no matter if doing so exposes every hypocritical value they have. They just love the idea that Trump is somehow... a good candidate. The fact he isn't will never reach him. So no they don't care about this or anything or anyone.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)book_worm
(15,951 posts)pnwmom
(108,992 posts)Lochloosa
(16,068 posts)I've seen you mad.
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)jfc.
Was your OP alerted on?
I get you're emotionally invested in the Clinton campaign, but honestly, do you think trying to shame tRump's wife is a way to get Clinton elected?
Concentrate on Clinton's positive attributes. For crying out loud, stay away from dragging out the nasty old MRA women shaming card.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)To put this into perspective.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)And Bernie said that Trump must have a very unusual relationship with his wife to not know that.
I swear, the depths of ignorance of these Republican men about women and their bodily functions is staggering. Apparently it's not just pregnancy and reproduction either, but elimination.
I know there are some macho bastards out there that don't think people should have to take bathroom breaks or lunch breaks. They should just work themselves into exhaustion and low blood sugar attacks. I know, I've worked for a few judges that had that attitude.
I worked for one judge that I had to BEG for a lunch break. We were in the middle of a hearing before the bench (no jury). He finally backed down when I gave him my doctor's name and phone number and told him I would get dizzy and pass out if I didn't eat lunch, and I'd be happy for him to call my doctor and talk to him about my blood sugar. Turned out that later, this judge worked his regular court reporter so hard he killed her from overwork. She died of respiratory failure at the age of 40.
MerryBlooms
(11,771 posts)but there's no need for us to lower ourselves to his level. We're way better than that. And, we can win without that nastiness.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)What kind of dipshit pig talks like that?
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He looks like an old scrotum with a comb over. Having a wife that good looking only highlights his wealth.
Might as well run ads labelling him a "big shot celebrity" while they're at it. The family values crowd is coalescing around Carson, Cruz and Rubio.
dairydog91
(951 posts)1. I don't think Trump has ever been a "family values" candidate. The guy has a well-known appetite for trophy wives.
2. His core power base is not evangelicals. That would be Cruz's power base. Trumpkins are more likely to admire this kind of thing than be disgusted by it.
3. Really, now we're going after his wife for having nudes? That's prudish and controlling. She was a model. Nude photos aren't particularly surprising in that line of work.
4. To the extent that Trump is tapping into a vein of American fascist sentiment, the trophy wife angle probably helps him. Fascism often makes a cult of aggressive masculinity; having a gorgeous younger wife can be a way of demonstrating said quality.
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Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)they hypocrites need to own this
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840high
(17,196 posts)about Bill's womanizing - why should we care about pictures?
840high
(17,196 posts)recommended this nonsense.
Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)they think she will be great!
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)While I loathe Donald Trump I've never believed in attacking spouses or children for being related to candidates I don't favor, and I don't believe in slut-shaming either. I have a bunch of friends who are current or former sex workers and I think slut-shaming is just plain old misogyny in slightly different packaging.
Edited to add that of course Trump's supporters are likely being wildly inconsistent and would scream long and loud about the immorality of it all if the situation were reversed and a Democratic candidate or candidate's spouse had a background in adult entertainment. But since I already thought those people were hypocritical idiots to begin with I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Trump, of course, found Jeebus, so now the prudes of the faith healing con artist movement like Kenneth Copeland and Jan crouch are down with him and his mail order bondage porn bride
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How is this different than what Republicans do?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)It's not.
H2O Man
(73,605 posts)people to be naked, we would not be born fully dressed. God hates nudity. Jesus had preached against nudity, in the Bill of Rights, because it is sinful. Indeed, it is the devil himself that attempts to tempt us with human body parts. For example, there is nothing more offensive than breast-feeding. Anyone who sucks upon nipples and/or bottles is not to be trusted.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,706 posts)as the first candidate for P/VP that they would "do."
Asking if the Trumplodytes would have any class about things like this is an exercise in futility. They don't have any class that I can detect. 'Glamour' is hardly the primary requisite for first lady of the US.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I might care again first thing in the morning, tho.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)because he is pandering directly to the evangelical Christians. That being said, I still don't think Democrats or anyone should adopt that line of attack.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)....is nudity really an issue in 2016?
Texasgal
(17,047 posts)don't give a shit about his wife's photos. Pics of Melania are the last thing they care about. I think alot of people are confused about Trumps base. They are not Christian nutjobs, they are just stupid bigots!
Myself, I can think about a thousand more reasons to be anti-trump and it has nothing to do with his wife or her pictures.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)Will the Kim Davis's just ignore this and vote for him anyway?
melman
(7,681 posts)That's the point you seem to be missing.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)Like many feminists, I think the porn industry is demeaning to women and contributes to their subjugation. She came from a well-off family and she had alternatives.
I don't think we should be banning porn, but I also don't think we should be glamorizing the industry -- which would happen if Melania were First Lady and her background were widely known.
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pnwmom
(108,992 posts)to portray her as the reincarnation of Jackie O.
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pnwmom
(108,992 posts)because she went to the restroom during the debate.
And he said a woman involved in a lawsuit deposition was disgusting because she asked to be excused to nurse a baby.
And he was disgusted by a female newscaster's bodily fluids as well.
So he isn't exactly puritanical, I suppose. He's just very disgusted by women's bodies.
But if he's the nominee -- and he could be -- then what are the Kim Davis's going to do? Will they vote for him as the lesser of two evils even if they know about his wife?
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pnwmom
(108,992 posts)and anyone who's the nominee will need their vote.
I do care about how these people think because their votes count as much as mine do.
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Bongo Prophet
(2,651 posts)the 'classiest' GOP Operative and ratfucker supreme?
This is not the DU of yore, anymore.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Don't they mean since Michelle Obama, who is currently the most glamorous first lady since Jackie Kennedy?
Reter
(2,188 posts)I always thought Nancy was very glamorous and beautiful for her age. The next three after her not so much. Glamor returned with Michelle, however.
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Reter
(2,188 posts)He's soft on abortion and gay rights (he never talks about it), and has a potty mouth. Cruz, Huck, and Carson get those votes.
pnwmom
(108,992 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)Friend number 1 is a regular Republican, likes Bush, Paul Ryan, Romney, etc. He's conservative, but doesn't hate Muslims or Mexicans at all. He's not a racist. He's going for Christie, but may have to settle for Rubio.
Friend number 2 is a hard-core tea bagger. He thinks Trump is Bill Clinton's master plan to get his wife elected. He gave me quotes proving Trump was not conservative at all on social issues just a few years ago. His biggest idol is Pat Buchanan, and he showed me a video where Trump blasts him in 2000 for being a right-wing extremist. He showed me where Trump did indeed say gay marriage is now settled law. He's going for Rand Paul, but is about to switch to Cruz because Paul is not even in the debate now.
Needless to say, neither would vote for Trump. Friend 1 probably stays home. Friend 2 would vote his beloved Constitution Party.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And if they're Republicans, odds are they're way more panicked about im'grnts, mex'cans and mus'lins than they are about Melania trump in some decades old softcore photo shoot with another woman.