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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 02:04 PM Jan 2016

Tombstone's Gun Ban

Adam Winkler, a law professor at UCLA and author of Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, said the gun rights strategy purports to turn back the national clock to a time when Americans lived closer to the land, defended themselves from harm, lived more independently – and carried six-shooters on their hips wherever they strode.

It’s an appeal to romance. The problem, Winkler said, is that it’s false.

“Frontier towns had more restrictive gun laws,”
he said. “When you rode into town you checked your guns with the marshal, and you could pick them up again later when you left town.”

The famous shootout at the OK Corral actually started when the local lawmen, including Wyatt Earp, tried to enforce Tombstone’s gun ban. There would be no carrying, open or otherwise.

MORE:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/15/open-carry-gun-laws-states

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TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
2. What does Tombstone have to do with this issue?
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

One city. Arlington, VA doesn't permit open carry of "assault weapons" unless you have a concealed carry permit. Not sure that says anything about the rest of the country. Vermont has permitted both open and concealed carry since it was founded. Have the streets of Vermont historically run red with blood? The problem isn't legal carry (although I think open carry is often a "screw you" and don't favor it) the problem is criminals and those who want to blame "gunz" or "society" instead of holding individuals responsible for their actions.

In any event, the fact that controllers are now fighting a battle against open carry and have essentially conceded the concealed carry issue tells you a lot about the failures of the gun control movement.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
3. And yet it just isn't so.
Sat Jan 16, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016
“Frontier towns had more restrictive gun laws,” he said. “When you rode into town you checked your guns with the marshal, and you could pick them up again later when you left town.”


That was only the guns being CARRIED, not all the guns you owned. And since there were no background checks, no laws about automatic weapons, no age laws, no such things as prohibited persons - criminals were given their guns back upon leaving prison, no so called assault weapon bans, etc...

This is a gross misrepresentation of reality.

And heres the proof:

Folks who are anti-gun, please state clearly for the record that you'd trade todays gun laws for those of the wild west.

To date, not a single taker, and I've asked that question many many times over the years.



 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
6. Its been a day, and still there are no takers.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jan 2016

It sure is funny how they neither refute what I stated, nor refute the OP. But not 'funny haha'.


One might almost arrive at the conclusion, that our committed anti-gun colleagues know that what I stated was a fact, but would prefer for others to be misled by the OP.


petronius

(26,603 posts)
5. It sounds as though Tombstone had 'may-issue' concealed carry, an absence
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

of state preemption, and perhaps an implicit safe storage law. All of which exist in various forms or places today, and seems to pass Constitutional muster (although personally, my preferences are for shall-issue CCW and state-level preemption).

Ordinance #9: Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.

More generally, I'm not sure that sheriffs of the old west would be my go-to source for legal interpretation or Constitutional scholarship, although I think that Ask an Old West Sheriff could be a kick-ass funny premise for an advice column...
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