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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 12:55 PM Jan 2016

Predicted Headline on Super Tuesday: "The Establishment Strikes Back"

Trump and Cruz will do well in NH and Iowa. Then the Establishment wing will line up behind one of the candidates (probably Rubio, possibly Jeb) and come March 1, there will be a shift away from Trump/Cruz and towards Rubio, or whomever.

I still do not think that Trump or Cruz will end up with the Republican nomination.

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Predicted Headline on Super Tuesday: "The Establishment Strikes Back" (Original Post) oberliner Jan 2016 OP
don't be surprised if you discover on March 2nd that this is the mother of all change elections. Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #1
Do you think Trump or Cruz can really end up being their nominee? oberliner Jan 2016 #2
It's hard for me too.... daleanime Jan 2016 #4
Except most Republicans really dislike him... Hortensis Jan 2016 #32
I have difficulty fathoming the republicon mind in general but do sense a broad groundswell of Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #6
And the usual denial... Wounded Bear Jan 2016 #9
I actually have quite a few Republicans in my family oberliner Jan 2016 #10
unfortunately for your relatives so-called "rational" conservatism is gone from the republicon party Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #15
Or someone like Bloomberg could get those voters oberliner Jan 2016 #16
Bloomberg doesn't have what it takes to leverage a change election sucessfully. As I see it, Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #17
You may be right oberliner Jan 2016 #18
I don't see it happening but if it did, I think Bloomberg would mostly take republicon votes from Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #31
Exactly, most of them have fled the republican party. That's likely why Bloomberg figures he might RKP5637 Jan 2016 #26
I think Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee and have since June 16th. TeamPooka Jan 2016 #29
seconded shanti Jan 2016 #33
yup. TeamPooka Jan 2016 #36
If it happens, it will be proof beyond doubt Volaris Jan 2016 #40
You don't think Trump? Who do you think? NightWatcher Jan 2016 #3
I still think it will be Rubio oberliner Jan 2016 #7
There are indeed powerful forces trying to stop Trump Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #30
I'm still thinking it will be Jeb. StevieM Jan 2016 #37
That would not surprise me either oberliner Jan 2016 #38
Yeah I am with you on Trump, but Cruz is a Wall Street man the GOP would love to manipulate. Rex Jan 2016 #5
What about Rubio? oberliner Jan 2016 #8
Yes he would probably be the easiest one of them to manipulate. Rex Jan 2016 #34
I look for a brokered Republican convention which will splinter their party. B Calm Jan 2016 #11
That would be awesome oberliner Jan 2016 #14
K&R!!! Hope so, that they annihilate each other with republican antimatter. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #27
What a nightmare of a lineup. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #12
Yep, my fear too! I'm afraid of having my CT suspicions confirmed that elections are RKP5637 Jan 2016 #28
So when is the Princess going to find out the hero is her brother? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #13
how many times does Trumps demise have to be wrongly predicted... lame54 Jan 2016 #19
No one has cast a single vote for him yet oberliner Jan 2016 #20
he hasn't been in 2nd a single day... lame54 Jan 2016 #21
Howard Dean was in 1st nationally with a commanding lead for months oberliner Jan 2016 #23
Trump has given dozens of "Dean screams"... lame54 Jan 2016 #25
Not really sure leftynyc Jan 2016 #42
The Establishment of both parties are going to be in for a nasty surprise. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #22
Republicans have been "enraged" since Obama took office oberliner Jan 2016 #24
The Farce Awakens! n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #35
Here for once I am inclined to agree. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #39
I was more confident of this a month ago as well oberliner Jan 2016 #41
Thanks, but I'll wait for Separation Jan 2016 #43
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. Do you think Trump or Cruz can really end up being their nominee?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jan 2016

I just still cannot fathom that possibility.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Except most Republicans really dislike him...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jan 2016

Apparently it's hard for them to imagine too, even as it is more and more possible -- up to a point. I think it's clear that for a critical number that point would be well short of electing him President.

Of course, I thought they'd never vote for such an outstandingly incompetent buffoon like W...

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
6. I have difficulty fathoming the republicon mind in general but do sense a broad groundswell of
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jan 2016

resentment of "having been had" one too many times by the power structure coming from both sides of the political spectrum.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
9. And the usual denial...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

of expecting an asshole like Trump to deliver them to the promised land.

Has he even outlined any policy proposals yet? His typical 'speech' that I've heard is a somewhat more intellectual version of Palinese.

He's Hector Comacho in an ill-fitting suit and bad hairpiece.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. I actually have quite a few Republicans in my family
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

But they are of the northeastern variety and are turned off by the extremism of Cruz and (to a lesser extent) Trump.

I still think there are a lot of Republicans out there who really want a Mitt Romney type of candidate.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
15. unfortunately for your relatives so-called "rational" conservatism is gone from the republicon party
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016

and actually resides more within the Democratic party under the guise of Third Way so-called "new" Democrats.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Or someone like Bloomberg could get those voters
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jan 2016

The way I see it, there are the Born-Again Christian Republicans, who, along with their other Tea Party compatriots represents a wing of the party who have as much antipathy for Republicans that they don't like as they do Democrats. The nominal Republicans who are not in that camp are not going to support someone like Trump or Cruz. But they also have been conditioned to hate Hillary and to think Bernie is crazy. Thus, where do those voters go? Maybe Bloomberg?

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
17. Bloomberg doesn't have what it takes to leverage a change election sucessfully. As I see it,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jan 2016

my dad's republicons will have 3 choices: vote for Trump, vote for Bernie, or sit this one out. If sitting this one out wins (and I think the chances are very good here), the Dems retake the Senate and, possibly (if Sanders is the nominee), the House too.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
18. You may be right
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

If it does end up being Trump vs. Bernie, do you think Bloomberg entering the race would have any impact? If so, whom does it help?

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
31. I don't see it happening but if it did, I think Bloomberg would mostly take republicon votes from
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

the Donald. Put my hunch down to 3rd wayers taking more rational perspectives than panicked republicons.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
26. Exactly, most of them have fled the republican party. That's likely why Bloomberg figures he might
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jan 2016

run. He might capture the Independents, as well as those that fled the republican party, as well as some democrats that might erroneously think Bernie is some-kind of socialistic communist or whatever.

TeamPooka

(24,227 posts)
29. I think Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee and have since June 16th.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jan 2016

IMHO historical empirical evidence tells me Trump could actually win the deep blue state of California in 2016 the way Gov. Terminator did, twice.
Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was not just "elected" in Blue California, he was "re-elected", after we knew what a failure he was too.

Cruz, the other GOP candidates, and most Democrats don't yet realize we will be running a candidate against the most powerful force of nature in the USA: Celebrity.

This is a nation of star-fuckers who think fame and riches will rub off onto them by association.

You're running against the Man on the TeeVee.

It will take every vote in every state to win.
God help us if we lose.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
33. seconded
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jan 2016

by another californian who was appalled that gropenator was elected so easily by some of the rubes here.

it could definitely happen again.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
40. If it happens, it will be proof beyond doubt
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jan 2016

that the TeaParty monster that the RNC spent all that time and energy coddling WILL not be controlled...and it wont be a pretty election for them.
Without the full-throated and PUBLIC support of the Republican Establishment, it wont even be close. It will be a fuckin' BLUE LANDSLIDE and then the GOP will go to war with itself, and stock up on popcorn.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. You don't think Trump? Who do you think?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jan 2016

I think he'll take the nomination in landslide form as the voters prove that we are in the time of the new dumb. Idiocracy will rise from the repukes.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. I still think it will be Rubio
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

Or, less likely, Jeb.

Remember that there hasn't been a single vote cast yet.

Perhaps I will need to re-evaluate after Iowa/NH, but I just think that there are powerful forces in the Republican party doing everything they can to stop Trump or Cruz from getting the nomination.

Qutzupalotl

(14,313 posts)
30. There are indeed powerful forces trying to stop Trump
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jan 2016

and Cruz to a lesser extent, because neither will win the GE. They desperately want an establishment candidate to get the nomination, but they are limited in what they can do because there are so many candidates. They have to a) coalesce around a "sane" alternative, and b) prop them up at the expense of others. In a two- or three-person race, this might be possible. With a dozen or so people (none of which are really sane), I don't see how it can be done. They might be at stage a) with Rubio. However, with their limited influence this time, I believe they would settle for Cruz.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
37. I'm still thinking it will be Jeb.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

He has a major national organization and a lot of money. Besides, Rubio has come across like a total clown.

And if the voters are fine with nominating a clown, there is no reason not to stick with Trump. Certainly the GOP wouldn't refrain from voting for him based on his racism and demagoguery.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
38. That would not surprise me either
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

He has certainly had his opportunities. He seems to be his own worst enemy.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Yeah I am with you on Trump, but Cruz is a Wall Street man the GOP would love to manipulate.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:15 PM
Jan 2016

Not saying they can, but Trump would be a loose cannon for 4 years. I can't see him ending up being the nominee.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. What about Rubio?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jan 2016

He seems to easiest to manipulate of them all. And he also presents a more middle-of-the-road personae when he feels like it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. That would be awesome
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jan 2016

I would love to see that scenario play out. It could possibly mean the end of the Republican party as we know it.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. What a nightmare of a lineup.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 01:36 PM
Jan 2016

My biggest concern is the election being rigged again in favor of an establishment candidate. If that happens, then we will know that democracy in this country is really f***ed.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
28. Yep, my fear too! I'm afraid of having my CT suspicions confirmed that elections are
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

somewhat rigged. We left being a democracy a long time ago. Often "we the people" and what we want does not figure into the equation, but rather the super-wealthy are pulling all of the strings.


lame54

(35,290 posts)
19. how many times does Trumps demise have to be wrongly predicted...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jan 2016

Before realization sets in that he will be the nominee

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. Howard Dean was in 1st nationally with a commanding lead for months
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jan 2016

Right up until a few days before Iowa.

lame54

(35,290 posts)
25. Trump has given dozens of "Dean screams"...
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jan 2016

And not one of them has left a scratch

This campaign is not comparable to any others

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. Not really sure
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jan 2016

but I've been saying Trump is the nominee since around Thanksgiving. The other dwarfs have way too much ego to band together to stop him.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
22. The Establishment of both parties are going to be in for a nasty surprise.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

People are enraged at the establishment and they are not going to take it, anymore.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Republicans have been "enraged" since Obama took office
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

The question is where that rage is directed.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
41. I was more confident of this a month ago as well
Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:32 AM
Jan 2016

Though I still think this is how it will play out.

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