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deminks

(11,014 posts)
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:52 PM Jan 2016

What Donald Rumsfeld knew we didn’t know about Iraq

http://www.politico.eu/article/what-donald-rumsfeld-knew-we-didnt-know-about-iraq/

On September 9, 2002, as the George W. Bush administration was launching its campaign to invade Iraq, a classified report landed on the desk of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It came from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, and it carried an ominous note.

“Please take a look at this material as to what we don’t know about WMD,” Rumsfeld wrote to Air Force General Richard Myers. “It is big.”

The report, revealed here publicly for the first time, was an inventory of what U.S. intelligence knew — or more importantly didn’t know — about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Its assessment was blunt: “We’ve struggled to estimate the unknowns…. We range from 0% to about 75% knowledge on various aspects of their program.”

Myers already knew about the report. The Joint Staff’s director for intelligence had prepared it, but Rumsfeld’s urgent tone said a great deal about how seriously the head of the Defense Department viewed the report’s potential to undermine the Bush administration’s case for war. But he never shared the eight-page report with key members of the administration such as then-Secretary of State Colin Powell or top officials at the CIA, according to multiple sources at the State Department, White House and CIA who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity. Instead, the report disappeared, and with it a potentially powerful counter-narrative to the administration’s argument that Saddam Hussein’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons posed a grave threat to the U.S. and its allies, which was beginning to gain traction in major news outlets, led by the New York Times.

(snip)

Asked whether Rumsfeld had sent the cautionary intelligence report to the president, one senior member of the Joint Staff who was copied on it said he wasn’t certain, but added, “that’s the last place they would have sent it.”

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Lotsa finger pointing here. Grab your popcorn.

We don't know what we don't know.
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What Donald Rumsfeld knew we didn’t know about Iraq (Original Post) deminks Jan 2016 OP
bastard. nt grasswire Jan 2016 #1
There are known knowns, known unknowns, DirkGently Jan 2016 #2
this is an important article K&R grasswire Jan 2016 #3
Rumsfeld and company should be held accountable for all the misery they caused with that war. Kath1 Jan 2016 #4
confirmation that Colin Powell was out of the loop in this article grasswire Jan 2016 #5
Fyi - He's scheduled to be a guest on Rebkeh Jan 2016 #6
Maybe this is Rumsfelds "Get out of War Crimes Jail" Card? Ready4Change Jan 2016 #7
k and r..nt Stuart G Jan 2016 #8

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
2. There are known knowns, known unknowns,
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jan 2016

and then there is the absolute, deliberate, nefarious bullshit of Donald Rumsfeld.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. this is an important article K&R
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jan 2016

Tidbit:

"Then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, whose military assistant was on the short list of people copied on the JCS report, is one of Jeb Bush’s foreign policy experts. Other supporters of the war, though they do not appear to have been aware of the JCS report, are involved in the various advisory roles in the 2016 campaign. John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, is advising Ted Cruz; and Elliott Abrams and William Kristol are supporting Marco Rubio, whom Reuters reported is also briefed regularly by former Cheney adviser Eric Edelman."

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
4. Rumsfeld and company should be held accountable for all the misery they caused with that war.
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jan 2016

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice - the whole criminal gang.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
5. confirmation that Colin Powell was out of the loop in this article
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jan 2016

AND.....

Rather than heed the JCS’ early warning — as well as similar doubts expressed by some CIA, State Department and Defense Intelligence Agency officers — and seek more reliable intelligence, Rumsfeld and Cheney turned to a parallel intelligence apparatus they created that relied largely on information from Iraqi defectors and a network of exiles led by the late Ahmed Chalabi and his Iraqi National Congress.

On Sunday, September 8, 2002 — three days after Shaffer reported that evidence on Iraq’s nuclear program was sparse — the Times’ Judith Miller and Michael Gordon led the newspaper with a report with the headline, “US Says Hussein Intensifies Quest for A-Bomb Parts.”

“Mr. Hussein’s dogged insistence on pursuing his nuclear ambitions, along with what defectors described in interviews as Iraq’s push to improve and expand Baghdad’s chemical and biological arsenals, have brought Iraq and the United States to the brink of war,” the Times wrote. The piece repeatedly cited anonymous senior Bush administration officials and Iraqi defectors.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice cited the Times story on talk shows that Sunday morning. Rice repeated a sentiment, credited in the Times story that “the first sign of a ‘smoking gun’ … may be a mushroom cloud.”

Ready4Change

(6,736 posts)
7. Maybe this is Rumsfelds "Get out of War Crimes Jail" Card?
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jan 2016

There is an international call for War Crimes investigations against members of the Bush43 Administration. I've long thought that one component of that administrations drive for war against Iraq was to throw their dupe, Dubya, under the bus should things go askew.

But it's not unlikely that individuals in that administration would have laid the groundwork for their own "Get out of War Crimes Jail" cards as well. Perhaps this is Rumsfelds. He could claim to have sent that to the White House. Had he done so, Cheny would have chewed him out for it, as Cheny was involved big time with generating, by hook and crook, documents that appeared to be intelligence supporting the war. (See Department of Special Plans).

If Rumsfeld could claim that, with evidence, he could claim he tried to head things off, but was over-ridden.

My question is: Why is this coming to light now? Any such thing would be locked away tight, only to be brought out if needed. It's not a question of what Rumsfeld knew back then. It's a question of what he knows NOW?

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