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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:40 AM Jan 2016

How was Trump able to demolish his Republican opponents?

And why can't Democrats do the same?

Jeb! was "low energy"...

Cruz was "nasty"... etc..

By simple name-calling, he was able to wipe out his opposition.

To turn the tables, what should we call Donald Trump?

Because if we think we can simply ignore such tactics and depend on the better sense of the voters, then we would be making a mistake, in my opinion.

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How was Trump able to demolish his Republican opponents? (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2016 OP
I'm basically aligned with this theory about Trump's success: phantom power Jan 2016 #1
Spot on analysis. yardwork Jan 2016 #4
Nicely done. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #11
+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #21
Pick on his appearance...harp on his bad deal making and bankruptcies...wives who want his money... Human101948 Jan 2016 #2
Democrats aren't trying to appeal to racist xenophobes. yardwork Jan 2016 #3
The last thing Democrats need is their own Donald Trump. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #5
I think that is missing the mark phantom power Jan 2016 #9
What works in a Republican primary doesn't work in a general election. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #6
I like Charlie Pierce's "vulgar talking yam" myself - nt KingCharlemagne Jan 2016 #7
Apparently the DNC has no $$ for oppo research librechik Jan 2016 #8
debbie wasted that budget on researching Bernie ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #15
His supporters are ignorant and depraved individuals katsy Jan 2016 #10
For example: "Hillary was the worst Secretary of State ever.." kentuck Jan 2016 #12
Have you seen his opponents? Egnever Jan 2016 #13
Disillusionment with the Establishment One_Life_To_Give Jan 2016 #14
By having a personality. Orsino Jan 2016 #16
A vulgar talking yam. KamaAina Jan 2016 #17
Spot-on analysis, kentuck. Octafish Jan 2016 #18
A few thoughts CommonSenseDemocrat Jan 2016 #19
When you have hours of free media on which you repeat your spiel while pundits laugh rather than karynnj Jan 2016 #20
the stuff that energizes Trump supporters is different. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #22
because not everyone is bigoted type like Trump supporters JI7 Jan 2016 #23
He's given a pass because people hate politicians LittleBlue Jan 2016 #24
Trump on Glenn Beck: ''He's always crying.'' Octafish Jan 2016 #25
He appeals... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #26
Because he gets all the media attention. doc03 Jan 2016 #27
Unfortunately, it takes a nasty expert destroyer to demolish people ladjf Jan 2016 #28

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
1. I'm basically aligned with this theory about Trump's success:
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jan 2016
his is all a long way of saying that Donald Trump actually is an ideological match for the modern conservative movement. Silver insists that he is not and that this is one of the biggest reasons why he’s been predicting that Trump would peter out.

But that assumes that the key animators of the conservative movement are the familiar things like low taxes, a strong national defense, and a ban on abortion. Those aren’t the keys. The keys are 1) fear 2) hatred 3) greed and 4) a need to be led.

Trump encapsulates those almost perfectly.

Now, you can call my assessment harsh, but I didn’t get here lightly. I did not want to believe this. I came to this way of thinking kicking and screaming. But, since I gave up giving the Republicans credit for anything more, I haven’t been wrong yet.

So, when I saw Trump badmouthing McCain, I said it would help him when most people said it would sink his campaign.

I knew the base hated McCain to begin with, hated him twice-over for losing, and they’d love seeing a strong leader kick him in the teeth.

This isn’t the kind of analysis you’ll find in a political science paper or by poring over statistics. It’s raw and visceral and human. People are responding to Trump because they’re feeling xenophobic and because they want to see the Republican establishment insulted. They don’t really care about marginal tax rates or who’s been a consistent opponent of gay rights. They want someone who will get some revenge on their enemies.

So, if you start with the assumption that the base of the party likes a guy who spouts Birther nonsense more than a guy who is consistent on conservative issues and you understand that this is because he spouts Birther nonsense, you’ll do better predicting the outcome of these primaries. Hate trumps virtually everything with conservatives. But strength is important, too. Rick Santorum couldn’t get away with what Trump is doing because he doesn’t have the chutzpah for it. People would see right through Little Ricky, but Trump’s basically correct when he says that his followers are so blind that they’d support him even if he started shooting random people on Fifth Avenue.

People are coming around to this idea now because they have no other choice. They call it fascism or whatever, and you can call it what you want. But it’s not really new. It’s what’s been brewing here all along.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2016/1/26/15439/2451

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
11. Nicely done.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jan 2016

However, well this approach works in the primaries, I think it'll fail him in the General Election.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
2. Pick on his appearance...harp on his bad deal making and bankruptcies...wives who want his money...
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016
Why Donald Trump Will Always Be a “Short-Fingered Vulgarian”
Just to drive him a little bit crazy, I took to referring to him as a “short-fingered vulgarian” in the pages of Spy magazine. That was more than a quarter of a century ago. To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers. I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby.


http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump

Top 10 Donald Trump Failures
Donald Trump is very proud of himself for forcing President Obama to release his birth certificate, ending the debate over whether he was legally fit to lead the country. But not everything the Donald has put his name behind has succeeded. TIME takes a look at some gambles that went bust
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'


http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html

yardwork

(61,711 posts)
3. Democrats aren't trying to appeal to racist xenophobes.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jan 2016

Look at the people who love Trump, chanting USA as he throws minorities out of his rallies. Trump's supporters hate all the people who make up the Democratic base.

Luckily, there are more of us than there are of them. Unluckily, some on our side are trying to convince us that the Democrats are just as bad. That kind of attitude depresses turnout and could get Trump elected.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
5. The last thing Democrats need is their own Donald Trump.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jan 2016

Just like the last thing liberals need is their own Rush Limbaugh.

Why aspire to the very worst in society?

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
9. I think that is missing the mark
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jan 2016

No, we don't want to adopt Republican/Conservative values (which we've done altogether too much of over the last 40 years anyway).

But we can learn other things from their success. They understand how to animate their base. Democrats are basically terrible at this. Sanders is good at it.

Also, people like a fighter. That does not have to mean being an authoritarian racist asshole. Think FDR. He was a fighter.

I also think we could learn from LBJ. His famous quip "make them deny it" could work really well in a general election. Republicans currently represent a whole load of absolutely terrible and immoral ideas. Put them to the fucking question. Hang all the nasty shit they use to animate their base voters around their neck like a damned albatross. We don't do enough of that.

Note, we can do all of these things while still telling the fucking truth. I get the feeling the Establishment doesn't quite understand that part of Sanders' appeal is that he does these things.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. What works in a Republican primary doesn't work in a general election.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jan 2016

The only Republican that has been able to get close enough to claim victory ran a campaign on being a nice guy who cared about people (policies are a different story of course).

librechik

(30,676 posts)
8. Apparently the DNC has no $$ for oppo research
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jan 2016

Because if the long list of Trumps "sins" were ever revealed to the HypoChristian Right, their support would drift away to the Canadian.

Come on, you can't tell me that Trump NEVER paid for an abortion, since he is well known to be pro choice. PRO CHOICE, Debbie. Can't you pull together an Iowa commercial??? JEEBUS!

gawd it's like someone is PAYING her to be incompetent.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
15. debbie wasted that budget on researching Bernie
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jan 2016

That is what oppo research is for, isn't it? Going after "socialists?"

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
12. For example: "Hillary was the worst Secretary of State ever.."
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

"But she may be in jail and I will have to run against Bernie....Ohh...how I would like to run against that communist!"...

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
14. Disillusionment with the Establishment
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jan 2016

Much like Bernie, Trump is riding a wave of anti-establishment and populism. Trump says things that others won't and at some level rings true to his followers. The intersting part is how many Trump supporters think of Bernie as their second choice. While nobody at DU would admit it. Wonder if the reverse might also have some truth?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. By having a personality.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

It's the personality of a spoiled twelve-year-old, but it beats any of the corporate lackeys currently suckling GOP PAC money.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Spot-on analysis, kentuck.
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

Each phrase was the Magic Bullet that erased all memory of its victim.

How does one possibly convince another he's not "low energy"? Once heard, there's not enough energy in the known universe to overcome it.

Cash is another matter. Going from memory: a study from decades found that it takes about $5 per kid to make him or her into a fan of Coke or Pepsi. However, switching the dental dreams as adults from one beverage to the other required an expenditure of about $45 per person. Thus, the kids.

 
19. A few thoughts
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jan 2016

1. This doesn't answer your question, but Trump is the most moderate candidate in the GOP field. He is the only candidate in the GOP field to want to tax Wall Street if I recall correctly. Thus, Trump needed another tactic to win while not changing his policy positions.

2. The way he did this was by being outlandish, starting in Obama's 1st term with the birthed nonsense. Asking for Obama's birth certificate or going against birthright citizenship are not serious ideas. Thus, he gave the conservative base the red meat they needed, including the evangelicals.

Trump will not be an easy candidate to face in the general. He is beatable but by just calling him extreme. He needs the populist mantle taken away from him. His positions on immigration, namely, have a lot of support within even the Democratic Party. In my opinion, the way you beat Trump is the same way you beat Romney, by painting him as an out of touch rich elitist, which would take him off his populist horse.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
20. When you have hours of free media on which you repeat your spiel while pundits laugh rather than
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:13 PM
Jan 2016

question what the hell he is doing, you are able to make some negative characterizations stick.

Why can't Democrats do the same. Have you seen the media - even our MSNBC give either HRC or Bernie 20 or 30 minutes a day - breaking away even from coverage of the President as they do for THE DONALD. Not to mention the wasted minutes eagerly waiting for him to start his nonsense.

Tell me if all the cable stations covered the entire endorsement speech that John Kerry or Ted Kennedy gave Obama -- like they did for the discredited Sarah Palin? Hillary has been endorsed by many many more important people than Palin - I saw little coverage of them.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
24. He's given a pass because people hate politicians
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jan 2016

His attacks are just what ordinary people say about their shitty politicians. That's why he's given a pass on civility. People hate mainstream politicians with a passion. Half of these voters wish they could go on stage and call them names.

This is the highest level of voter frustration I've ever seen. It's becoming toxic.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
28. Unfortunately, it takes a nasty expert destroyer to demolish people
Tue Jan 26, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jan 2016

with words. That description fits Trump.

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