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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:35 PM Jan 2016

We're doomed..............In 50-49 vote, US Senate says climate change not caused by humans

WASHINGTON — The Senate rejected the scientific consensus that humans are causing climate change, days after NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration declared 2014 the hottest year ever recorded on Earth.

The Republican-controlled Senate defeated a measure Wednesday stating that climate change is real and that human activity significantly contributes to it. Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, offered the measure as the Senate debated the Keystone XL pipeline, which would tap the carbon-intensive oil sands in the Canadian province of Alberta.

The Senate voted 50-49 on the measure, which required 60 votes in order to pass.

“Only in the halls of Congress is this a controversial piece of legislation,” Schatz said.
https://bangordailynews.com/2015/01/22/politics/senate-not-ready-to-tie-climate-change-to-mankind/
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We're doomed..............In 50-49 vote, US Senate says climate change not caused by humans (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 OP
Did any of the say "it's all in God's plan?" Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #1
They still think God is a man. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #4
We only had to shovel a very small amount of snow this season. In_The_Wind Jan 2016 #2
Unfortunately, this is the logical consequence SheilaT Jan 2016 #3
Now yuo tell me that the Sermon on the mountain nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #5
Amen!!!! burrowowl Jan 2016 #6
Also they are waiting on the rapture which will take them away from it all and looking forward to it Person 2713 Jan 2016 #7
I'd forgotten about that aspect of SheilaT Jan 2016 #8
Just pray and worship so you don't get "left behind" that's pretty much the only action needed Person 2713 Jan 2016 #12
Actually, both here and in Israel, there are right wing fundies who WANT Apocalypse dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #13
It's really horrifying, but I never expected it to get to this level of stupid. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #23
"Only you are the savior you have been waiting for" that's what I tell them, and they don't get it. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #46
Or it's just a consequence of slavish devotion Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #16
Democrats say it is true, their leaders' position is it is not, and on no Hortensis Feb 2016 #30
heh, yeah 2naSalit Feb 2016 #37
+1 Johonny Feb 2016 #18
I think that we need a study into why humans reject confirmed science and data and favor faith Yavin4 Feb 2016 #24
I think it's in no small part that magical thinking comes very easily SheilaT Feb 2016 #36
You're an example of someone who can separate out the magical thinking from rational thinking Yavin4 Feb 2016 #42
Your question is the Great Unanswerable. SheilaT Feb 2016 #47
My hypothesis is that this may be some sort of evolutionary trait Yavin4 Feb 2016 #50
That certainly makes a great deal of sense. SheilaT Feb 2016 #54
It really has nothing to do with that maxsolomon Feb 2016 #53
50% of them know it's actually caused by the reptilian shape shifters because... hunter Jan 2016 #9
I think they are paid political trolls...nt 2naSalit Feb 2016 #38
And in breaking news matt819 Jan 2016 #10
Gravity doesn't exist for Republicans, they think the earth sucks. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #33
Eventually politicians will go from calling it a leftist conspiracy to a legitimate business liberal_at_heart Jan 2016 #11
Couple years of no snow pack got their attention, eh? dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #19
Thank a shareholder. We live in the most reality they cannot afford to block. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #14
World's Greatest Deliberative Body my ASS! hatrack Feb 2016 #15
"We will spend over 5 billion dollars on the 2016 elections. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #32
+1! 2naSalit Feb 2016 #39
Oh, that's good. SheilaT Feb 2016 #48
Democratic Senate candidates would be smart to bring that up during the election campaign. Octafish Feb 2016 #17
In that same session the senate voted that climate change is "real and not a hoax". karadax Feb 2016 #20
This should be part of the Democratic platform mountain grammy Feb 2016 #21
I am not hearing too much about the need to rescue the 22 or 26 states from Repug. clutches. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #28
insurance companies haven't decided if they make more money ignoring climate change librechik Feb 2016 #22
They refuse to recognize it because fighting it legitimizes having a strong central government AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #25
No, it's because they've been paid off like cheap whores. (No offense to working whores.) nt valerief Feb 2016 #26
Their voters haven't been paid off AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #27
What do voters have to do with Senate votes??? And, of course, voters are brainwashed. valerief Feb 2016 #29
Yep, in America the voters don't matter, we have an oligarchy after all AZ Progressive Feb 2016 #31
Their voters are simply 2naSalit Feb 2016 #40
Actually, those voting numbers are just about right based on averages. Glassunion Feb 2016 #34
+1! 2naSalit Feb 2016 #41
Senate to science: Fuck you! Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #35
On some level, that's correct The2ndWheel Feb 2016 #43
Vote the fuckers (gop) out of office! Good Lord! Wasting my tax dollars on this shit! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #44
So a handful of repukes walk upright? KamaAina Feb 2016 #45
And that is why the whole Paris negotiations were predicated on it not being ratified in the Senate. pampango Feb 2016 #49
Well it's only natural that the pray the gay away party... Kalidurga Feb 2016 #51
The 50 are either illiterate, liars or both. nt ladjf Feb 2016 #52
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. Unfortunately, this is the logical consequence
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jan 2016

of schools that have been bullied into not teaching real science for decades, and a primitive religion-based mindset that thinks some bunch of fairy tales from a couple thousand years ago have all the wisdom and knowledge anyone needs.

We really are doomed with men like this running our country.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
5. Now yuo tell me that the Sermon on the mountain
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

and the death and resurrection of Isis, Christ, and Zoroaster among others are JUST MYTH!

What will come next? I know, the earth is NOT at the center of the universe and the planet is not flat. Never mind I can see it plainly with my two eyes.

because somebody will need it.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
7. Also they are waiting on the rapture which will take them away from it all and looking forward to it
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jan 2016

Idiots

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. I'd forgotten about that aspect of
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jan 2016

a lot of self-identified believing Christians: that soon, any day now, Jesus will return and we'll all enter Paradise. That sort of thing certainly discourages any sort of long term planning, doesn't it?

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
12. Just pray and worship so you don't get "left behind" that's pretty much the only action needed
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jan 2016

to get on the heaven cloud once this earth turns to unending crap which will be soon because to them climate change events are just staged signs the apocalypse is near.
Hey whatever you do do not go all pagan & pay attention to the earth when you could be reading about heaven

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Actually, both here and in Israel, there are right wing fundies who WANT Apocalypse
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:52 AM
Feb 2016

so that the return of Christ or whatever can unfold as they think it is foretold
thus why bother to give a damn about future planning, it doesn't matter anyhow.

The problem now is, we are having one of those cycles where religious nuts are trying to gain active control of governments.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
16. Or it's just a consequence of slavish devotion
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:05 AM
Feb 2016

to political ideology...

Congressional Repubs don't believe in it because their party masters tell them not to believe in it...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Democrats say it is true, their leaders' position is it is not, and on no
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

more than that fervid belief is created, all the supposed reasons are just rationalizations trumped up afterward.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
37. heh, yeah
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

they are "told" by their overlords who hand them regular installments of cash.

And, from my recollection of the dogma crammed down my throat growing up, the rest of us have to be killed for the rupture to happen. Of course, I am not certain any of what I was force-fed as a child was even remotely close to reality or even the dogma the rest of the zealots believe.

I don't believe in anything but I KNOW that these misled individuals will push until they get what they want or we defeat them in elections and in our personal interactions with them.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
24. I think that we need a study into why humans reject confirmed science and data and favor faith
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:45 PM
Feb 2016

You can't just say that it's all driven by economic forces because there are some fundies who are doing well and yet still believe in myths (see the Mormons).

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
36. I think it's in no small part that magical thinking comes very easily
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

to most of us.

I have this joking routine I do that assumes multiple limited-responsibility deities I call gods, lower case g, and I say things like "The technology gods don't like me" and "The parking gods adore me" because as it happens, I often have trouble using technology, and yet I always get good parking spaces. In my case, I do sort of believe what I'm saying, but not to the point where I think anyone else should believe any of that, and I'm perfectly comfortable when people laugh at me about this, precisely because I don't take it seriously.

But when it comes to more organized religion, be it so-called mainstream or a cult, people do take it very seriously, and therein lies the problem.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
42. You're an example of someone who can separate out the magical thinking from rational thinking
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

as do most humans. I would even propose that most fundies don't believe EVEYRYTHING that their respective religions teach them, esp. given their actions.

But why do some people cling to it for everything and others can see it for the fairy tales that it is? Why can't some people accept hard data and science as a means for seeing the world?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
47. Your question is the Great Unanswerable.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

Why some people can tell the difference between fairy tales and reality while others cannot is something we should be able to figure out, but cannot.

Recently, some people here on DU, as well as in lots of other places, got quite exercised over whether or not one should tell their young children that Santa Claus brings them presents at Christmas. I don't need to repeat the arguments pro and con, but my personal take is that there's some joy or fun in the Santa Claus myth, and I recall believing in him when I was very young, and no, I didn't feel betrayed when I learned the truth.

It's my personal take that some myths are quite harmless, so long as they don't get treated seriously, which is why I do my little Parking gods/Technology gods schtick. It's all intended in fun.

Meanwhile, I have a son who is heading into astrophysics, and I'm constantly discussing things with him related to that field, and I find it utterly fascinating.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
50. My hypothesis is that this may be some sort of evolutionary trait
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 04:39 PM
Feb 2016

Our minds and bodies are a reflection of how we have adapted to conform to our environment. Maybe believing in the supernatural is how some people can cope with the existing world. Maybe their minds simply resist hard data and evidence as some sort of survival trait that others don't have.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
53. It really has nothing to do with that
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:25 PM
Feb 2016

Even Inhofe knows it's real.

This is 100% Political - the GOPs position is to never give an inch on the Denial argument, because that's the slippery slope to addressing Atmospheric Carbon.

Even introducing it is seen as a provocation to the keepers of the Status Quo.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
9. 50% of them know it's actually caused by the reptilian shape shifters because...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jan 2016

... they are reptilian shapeshifters themselves, or they are working for the reptilian shapeshifters.

They wish to destroy human civilization, make us their slaves, and melt all the ice. (As cold-blooded creatures, they hate ice.)

Or maybe these 50 Senators are simply grifters, psychopaths, and ignoramuses.

Either way, it's disturbing.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
10. And in breaking news
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

Senate votes to claim that Gravity doesn't exist and that more research needed to prove the earth is not flat.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
11. Eventually politicians will go from calling it a leftist conspiracy to a legitimate business
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

concern once businesses start losing billions to climate change. Here in WA state leaders of outdoor recreational businesses such as skiing are meeting with politicians to talk about how climate change is affecting the future of their business. The question is will it be too late by the time it becomes a legitimate business concern?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. Couple years of no snow pack got their attention, eh?
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

I had a very long time friend who just lives to ski, up there, who had no concern over the implications of no snow, it was just an inconvenience to her.
Sigh.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
14. Thank a shareholder. We live in the most reality they cannot afford to block.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 07:20 AM
Feb 2016

Some want democracy for all people and some for just themselves, or more accurately, for their money.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. "We will spend over 5 billion dollars on the 2016 elections.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

There has to be a cheaper way to find the worst people in the country."

Borowitz, today.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
48. Oh, that's good.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

I bet we could poll kids still in high school, find out who their worst classmates were, and know pretty much who will be running for office a few years down the road.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Democratic Senate candidates would be smart to bring that up during the election campaign.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

It would really go a long way toward erasing the GOP Senate majority that gets blamed for everything that doesn't get done, decade after decade.

karadax

(284 posts)
20. In that same session the senate voted that climate change is "real and not a hoax".
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

That vote was 98-1. It was then that the Republicans took issue with the word "significantly" and so they voted as the OP said 50-49.


It's all apart of another Keystone pipeline bill.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
21. This should be part of the Democratic platform
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

from the top to the bottom. The case for taking back the Congress and every legislature in America.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
28. I am not hearing too much about the need to rescue the 22 or 26 states from Repug. clutches.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:11 PM
Feb 2016

Something we desperately need to do.

Blown away that even in Oregon the High Plains Grifters had support from the Sheriff.
('course, that WAS Eastern Ore,....East. Wash. has long been a Repug. bastion)

librechik

(30,674 posts)
22. insurance companies haven't decided if they make more money ignoring climate change
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:35 PM
Feb 2016

Or offering fancy new policies to protect against it.

They should know soon, and then the money grubbers in Congress will start pretending to do something about it. Then they'll allow a "some people say it's here" inadequate bill or two to crawl forward loaded with poison pills and cutouts for billionaires.

Yay democracy.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
25. They refuse to recognize it because fighting it legitimizes having a strong central government
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

Which is antithetical to the interests of the Republican Party. And of course because it would gravely hurt the oil and energy industries.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
27. Their voters haven't been paid off
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016

But they have been brainwashed.

But consider that belief in global warming at least in part relies on trust in the science community, and academia has long been an enemy of the right wing, especially for conservative christians who feel like science says that God doesn't exist.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
29. What do voters have to do with Senate votes??? And, of course, voters are brainwashed.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

That's what TV is for.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
40. Their voters are simply
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

window dressing since the electronic voting machines will guarantee their seats are kept warm by their own asses.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
34. Actually, those voting numbers are just about right based on averages.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

- George Carlin

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
43. On some level, that's correct
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016

It's our technology that gives us the ability to do it. In the same way that humans can't fly, or move at 55mph, but our planes and cars allow us to do so.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
49. And that is why the whole Paris negotiations were predicated on it not being ratified in the Senate.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

So it had to be less enforceable and limited to issues and procedures that could be adopted by executive action. It is sad.

The only thing worse would be if there is a republican president in 2017 to go with the current congress. The we would go from "doomed" to "royally doomed".

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
51. Well it's only natural that the pray the gay away party...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:19 PM
Feb 2016

would be the ones that think they can legislate reality away.

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