just more misogynist bullcrap.

Just suck it up, girls. It's good for character building.

/sarcasm

This is why people are getting so angry. It is the fact that politicians and LEO's are completely deaf to the concerns of the citizens and it's forcing even decent Liberals to turn to the right wing to do something about it.

there is fear in the air. People turn right. That's especially going to be true when the left does nothing but blame the victim or turn away pretending anyone complaining is a right winger (as we have both seen right here on DU).

The left needs to wake up, and wake up fast. They need to say "no" to economic migrants for a while, and protect their borders while they vet refugees fleeing from the hell hole Bush helped create. Families with children should be at the front of the line. Mandatory classes on what is expected culturally should be held for every new group of immigrants. Laws should be changed so it's easier to deport lawbreakers.

This ten minute program on "teen" refugees in Sweden is very, very interesting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03gzh7x#play It's not shocking - doesn't discuss rapes, etc.

The gender imbalance in Sweden for 16 and 17 years old is "believed" to be 123 boys for 100 girls due to the arrival of thousands from Afghanistan. But are they really as young as they claim?

but I think the classes will have zero effect on young males who were raised in a society where women have, at best, the status of pack animals/property.

We were nice enough to allow you to come to the West, but we expect you to behave like civilized human beings here.

Translate it into a different language perhaps.

or something.

to demonstrate your cultural evenhandedness.

And we know that's even worse!

/sarcasm

-women and girls should not be subjected to this. It's time to put an end to this crap.

Just wondering.

The teabagger might also be blaming the muslim rapists.

Someone else posted the video. The girl in question is 10. How on Earthn does a 10-year-old girl "provoke" harassment?!

Western girls and women is all the provocation that some migrants need.

"Western girls and women is all the provocation that some migrants need..."

Same applies to far too many western males too.

F'd up situation

nearly every day. The trick is finding it and publishing it.

It must have been quite a sight to have 100 neo-Nazis protesting in a town of 6,000 people.

This mayor has a future in our tea party if he cares to immigrate. 😂

It's going to make news when the MAYOR (and he's not the first one) is seemingly telling women to suck it up. You've spent quite a bit of time on this issue implying anyone complaining is a right winger - you're not helping anyone.

an elected politician does not exempt him from making stupid, macho statements. I know he is not the first mayor in Germany to say something stupid about refugees and women. Nor will he be ths last. There must be thousands of mayors in Germany.

although everyone has noticed you moved from the problems with the immigrants to the mayor being an imbecile. Deflection is your tool of choice - you're not fooling anyone.

as an imbecile for the 'advice' he offered.

speaks for itself for anyone who cares to look.

of your own.

German girls and woman are just supposed to give up their freedom of movement in the name of multiculturalism.

Not a single party in Germany to vote for if you're a feminist. For Shame!

about this? Why is only the far right talking about what's happening to the women. A freeking 10 year old is being harassed.

It doesn't fit the narrative unless right wingers and neo-nazi's are the only ones who object.

want the narrative that only right wingers care about women? That really doesn't make sense to me. I know with Germany's "troubled" history, it's tough to take on issues like this but holy cow - if they're not going to protect their own citizens, that makes them as useless as tits on a bull.

because "racism". I think they might be blocking out the complaints of Liberals or Feminists because they don't want to admit that there is opposition all along the political spectrum.

but if the left is more concerned about being politically correct than about protecting women (their own citizens), then they'll deserve to lose. Enough is enough.

The only German feminist speaking out with clarity is Alice Schwartzer, the elder stateswoman of German feminism.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-feminists-debate-cologne-attacks-a-1072806.html

Same in Sweden:

http://time.com/4182186/sweden-feminists-sexual-assault-refugees/

Why is it wrong when Europeans disrespect women but okay when immigrants do it? These aren't real feminists - they're more worried about looking open minded than they are about women's issues....in other words, useless.

Alice Schwarzer in particular. She is sort of the Betty Friedan/Gloria Steinem of Germany. She has spoken out forcefully. It's not her fault if the media just glanced over it. Or, for that matter, just ask my wife. She is a retired German social worker, loyal SPD and/or Greens voter.

In our area, three newspaper articles just appeared about a group of Moroccans (3--one to watch for cops, one to distract and the third to actually perform the theft) roaming the trains looking for single women (preferably elderly) who might have nodded off. Their photos were published on the paper. Another trio was caught by the cops robing people twice in the same day. As long as they can produce a document with the address of where they are staying, they are set free, usually within the hour. Some of them have been searched, and found to have six or seven identities on them: Syrian, Afghan, Georgian, Moroccan, Algerian, etc.--all with the correct fingerprints of the owner, and each identity eligible for a small weekly money handout.

The German middle and left are doing themselves, and Germany, no favors by closing their eyes to this problem. They only feed the far right, until, like 1933, they'll be shaking their heads and wondering what happened?

Beyond that, however, no mayor, governor, or even Chancellor has ANY right to tell female citizens of their own country to voluntarily curtail their rights as German citizens to accommodate immigrants from another country.

The left will deserve to lose if they continue to ignore this. I wont stand up for them, wont vote for them - I'm not going to allow my country to commit suicide because bush/dick were assholes.

Why can't they jail these criminals? Especially ones that have multiple identity cards - how can that not be seen as criminal?

No one foresaw the need for anything else, and the occupation made sure the laws were as lenient as the Nazi-era laws were harsh. Germany in 1948 was a VERY different place from what it is now.

and the reasons for them. I'm asking how someone carrying several different sets of ID is seen as not a criminal? At the very least, haul his ass in and find out where he got those documents.

Their system is based on people respecting authority with only a little nudge needed from the police. Here's a good article:

Leonid Bershidsky: After Cologne assaults, Germany faces the end of hands-off policing

http://natpo.st/1OUTjoW

...snipped a lot about how proud Germans have been about pretty lax policing at festivals, on trains, etc, and pretty much no one takes it too far......

This presents a new kind of threat to police. On Thursday, German newspapers published a leaked internal report from the Cologne police that described how officers found themselves helpless when faced with the mob. “It was impossible to help every crime victim and apprehend the perpetrators,” the report flatly stated. The senior officer who wrote the report added, “The force encountered disrespect such as I have never experienced in 29 years of service.”

Both the disrespect and the sense of being overmatched are new to the German police. For years, their “live and let live” attitude worked at the rowdiest festivals. People were grateful for the trust and freedom they were implicitly accorded and crime remained manageable — even, arguably, at Oktoberfest. Now, this pact has been broken. The police report quotes a young man mocking an officer: “I am Syrian! You have to treat me kindly, Mrs. Merkel invited me!”

snip....

The point, however, isn’t for the police to be tougher on immigrants but to create a safer environment for people during big festivals. One of these, the carnival, is coming in February, and preventing new outbreaks of crime means making sure officers are visible in public spaces and aggressive crowds are dispersed before damage is done. There would have to be less tolerance for public drunkenness and carelessness with fireworks. In other words, German policing would have to become more obtrusive. Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere has called for more video surveillance in public places, and Germany can probably no longer get away with keeping a relatively small police force — about 300 officers per 100,000 people, fewer than anywhere in eastern and southern Europe, though more than in the U.K. and Scandinavia.

There is a fine line between more forceful policing and a police state, especially for Germans eager to defend their freedoms after their respective experiences with the Nazis and Communists. It is, however, important for Germany to show to the worst of the newcomers that violence won’t be tolerated. The current laissez-faire attitude doesn’t send that message.

migrants and further enrage the German citizens. I can only see this fueling the fire, not making things better.

Remember when the lights went out all over the east coast - it was around 12 years ago or so? I really don't remember what other cities were like but there was a HUGE police presence (at least there was in Manhattan, where I was stuck) but they kept a pretty light hand. We had ZERO looting and honestly, it was more like a party atmosphere. The mere presence of so many cops kept a lid on everything. They were mostly directing traffic as all the lights were out - making sure pedestrians made it to the latest bar that was running out of ice and discounted their drinks heavily. Some bodegas were giving out food rather than letting it rot. Musicians were setting up everywhere. Maybe the answer is just having more cops around - not being heavy handed but standing for zero crime.

Or more than 90% of them.

That's why the residents are scared.

You conveniently left out the only reason these Swedes acted in such a way is because a migrant killed a female asylum worker. I don't blame them for their reaction. Nice spin though.

Your response indicates to me that this type of violence is justified. Is it because the perpetrators are white, blond, Nordic Europeans?

Different rules for different peoples?

This:

As they apparently did you.

Have you ever lived in a Muslim country?

My wife is from Pakistan, she always talks about how the harassment there is 10 times worse that anything she has experienced in the states or UK.

The Muslim / Arab world has a rape culture that needs to be corrected. Part of the reason is there is little to no sexual education. Mix that with an overly conservative society where women are usually covered way more than what you see in the west + internet porn + typical teenage / 20 something sex drive and then have that person move to Europe you will see what you saw on new years eve.

the United States!!!!! Surprised?


http://www.wonderslist.com/10-countries-highest-rape-crime/

Many rapes are under-reported in places like saudi arabia / afghanistan / pakistan / syria / iraq because there is often repercussion for the women who reports it.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/20/world/meast/uae-norway-rape-controversy/

If I was looking at a prison sentence or even a stoning if I got raped I wouldn't report it either.

rape is even MORE under reported in the east because it often comes with a prison sentence, your family kicking you out of the house, or death.

But we are getting off track. Lets get back to the main point

Arab minorities in Germany are blamed for a rape culture that existed long before any Arabs moved to Germany

rapes of all types that often accompany festival times. Sites run by German women. So you are incorrect, or uninformed if you believe that this problem did not exist before.

why Muslim women in Muslim countries may not report a rape. Maybe because they'll get accused of adultery and get stoned to death? Perhaps their father will beat the crap out them and throw them out of the house? Or sell them to some old creep who will make them his 5th wife?

You aren't fooling anyone with your bullshit - we already know you care nothing about women and call anyone who expresses alarm about the rapes/assaults in Europe Islamophobes (as you did right in this thread). I encourage every poster to take note and act accordingly.

in many of these countries, either formally or a matter of custom, and thus not rape as we understand it.

One of the reasons why American and European sexual assault statistics are so high is that we, quite correctly, criminalize far more unacceptable conduct.

If you want to compare stats, you can't compare the US to a country where rape is legal.

There are definitely plenty of rape apologists on this board, unfortunately.

I'm surprised it took you this long to try and change the subject. We're onto your bullshit and you can stuff your "Islamophobe" bullshit every time someone expresses alarm at all the women getting harassed and attacked in Europe by recent immigrants. You've made your complete disregard for women very plain for everyone to see.

Step 2) knock down straw man.
Step 3) claim victory.

Go ahead and find any post of mine that disregarded rapes by ANYONE. Go ahead, find it and post it and embarrass me. What you're doing is so disgusting - minimizing rapes by saying "all men rape" so we can't get upset when it's done at the hands of those INVITED in because the poor darlings must have learned that when they crossed the borders into Europe Good Heavens - do you even hear yourself? And you expect me to believe you're a liberal? Not in this lifetime.

using language that would not be tolerated if used against many other groups, and congratulating themselves for being clear headed and realistic.

I expect the same people to ignore evidence that contradicts their biases. It is called belief perseverance. It afflicts people from both parties apparently.

I have posted links to numerous articles talking about the huge incidence of rape violence in the US. That mimics the general high levels of violence in the US. Using these same links, should I post that the US obviously is a rape culture founded on a systematic disrespect for women?

Many of us detest religious fundamentalism of any kind. I don't care if they are white, brown, black, or purple. So it's not surprising that we would be more concerned about women and children languishing in camps than these men from a highly patriarchal culture.

Get used to it.

But it does not relate to my point.

The US is also a highly patriarchal culture. A violent, highly patriarchal culture. So US citizens should not be allowed into Germany, correct? Or does your comment about patriarchal cultures only apply to certain cultures? And if so, which ones?

us to any story - anywhere in Europe - where a large group of American men went on a rampage of assault and rape while taunting the police about how they can't be arrested. What a bunch of colossal bullshit you're trying to push here. Let's just let the poor misunderstood little darlings who consider women cattle do whatever they want - I mean, we wouldn't want to let them think their culture cocnerning women is inferior and unwelcome in the west. WE'RE the ones who should change our values. Vomit

Here is one such story that perhaps you have forgotten:

is another thing.

Germany should arrest/prosecute; imprison/deport anyone who commits crimes. Whether they are a refugee 'invited in' or a native German.

Germany should not arrest and prosecute; imprison/deport anyone who has committed no crime but is only 'guilty' of belonging to the same group as some people who have. That would be collective punishment.

Most aren't getting arrested and those that are are being released - even when found with several sets of identity papers. Why the fuck shouldn't we be outraged at that? And about the refugees taunting the police. It's not just the repulsive assaults and rapes - it's about the reaction to them. They're NOT getting punished for it. And this is after these countries opened their door and gave them a place to live and money to do it with. It's disgusting.

If I were paying attention, I would say that we are and should be outraged at the criminal migrants and at those police/politicians who have not dealt with them effectively.

If I were paying attention, I would know the information in this wiki:

As of 8 January, federal police had identified 31 suspects, among whom were 18 identified asylum seekers. Of these, 17 were said by the Interior Ministry to be from Algeria or Morocco. There were 2 Germans and one U.S. citizen among the suspects identified. An additional 19 suspects were later identified by Cologne's police as being "almost exclusively" migrants. Of the 19 suspects identified on 11 January, 14 were men from Morocco and Algeria. 10 were asylum seekers, 9 of whom had arrived in Germany after September 2015. The other 9 suspects may be in the country illegally. The number of suspects had risen to 23 by 12 January. The department of public prosecution opened criminal proceedings against 13 people, 5 of whom were in detention at that time.

By 21 January, there were 30 suspects for the Cologne incidents, 25 of them were of Moroccan, Tunisia or Algerian origin. 15 of the 30 were asylum seekers, 2 underage unaccompanied refugees. 8 people were in investigative custody. On 29 January it was reported, that a further suspect, a man from Algeria, was arrested due to property offence and resistance against enforcement officers. Criminal investigations in Cologne were conducted against 44 people, North Africans by majority, 10 of whom were in investigative custody as of 29 January.

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The Interior Minister of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, Ralf Jäger, said, "We will not accept that groups of North African men gather expressly for the purpose of debasing women by sexually assaulting them." He said police had to "adjust" to the fact that groups of men had attacked women. He also spoke against anti-immigrant groups, saying: "What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women ... This is poisoning the climate of our society."

North Rhine-Westphalia's Head of State, Hannelore Kraft, stated that against this new dimension of violence and sexual assaults by men, police and courts should and will act consequently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany#Suspects_and_detainees

The attackers weren't even brown.

You cannot have it both ways.

FUCK? German women in their own country should fe feel obligated to dress, behave and act so as not to "offend" a bunch of backwards woman-hating medieval assholes who should never have been allowed into Germany in the first place?

Holy shit, a lot of German politicians seem to have a death wish, career-wise. If the left doesn't step up and DO SOMETHING about this very legitimate issue, the only beneficiaries will be the hard right. But I suppose some people think making cheap virtue points is more important than actually protecting their own citizens.