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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:47 AM Feb 2016

WEST VIRGINIA: “Religious Freedom” Bill Would Let Christians Break Just About Any Law Because Jesus

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/02/05/west-virginia-religious-freedom-bill-would-let-christians-break-just-about-any-law-because-jesus/

West Virginia state Sen. Robert Karnes has introduced a “religious freedom” bill that is so broad that even sites that regularly report on this nonsense have dropped jaws. Michael Stone writes:

Sharia for Jesus: West Virginia bill would give Christians a “get out of jail free” card. A sweeping religious freedom bill promoted by Republicans in West Virginia would allow people of faith to illegally discriminate against others, as well as break any other law that violates their sincerely held religious beliefs.

Senate Bill 11 (SB 11) – also known as the “West Virginia Freedom of Conscience Protection Act” – establishes that only a “governmental interest of the highest magnitude that cannot otherwise be achieved without burdening the exercise of religion” can compel someone to obey the law if their religious beliefs come into conflict with it.

SB 11 defines of the exercise of religion thus: “Exercise of religion” means the sincere practice or observance of religion or religious conscience. It includes, but is not limited to, the ability to act or refuse to act in a manner substantially motivated by one’s sincerely held religious beliefs or religious conscience, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief.”


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WEST VIRGINIA: “Religious Freedom” Bill Would Let Christians Break Just About Any Law Because Jesus (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
So if I belong to a religion that requires human sacrifice The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #1
Oh, dear. Staph Feb 2016 #6
Sorry, I meant West Virginia. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #8
"governmental interest of the highest magnitude that cannot otherwise be achieved" Igel Feb 2016 #15
I am the high priestess of Huitzipochtli. bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #21
Would the bill allow me to ransack banks? thucythucy Feb 2016 #2
and, of course, Jesus would want you to take the money home for safe keeping from those Hoppy Feb 2016 #13
You can't put man's law over God's law, you know. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #3
How fast would Jesus drive? HassleCat Feb 2016 #4
Jesus rode an ass, how fast can your ass go? n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2016 #7
Not sure, but I used to shake it OK. HassleCat Feb 2016 #10
Our lady of the excessive speed A HERETIC I AM Feb 2016 #11
I don't care if it rains or freezes, 'long as I've got my plastic Jesus KamaAina Feb 2016 #17
Federal Civil Rights laws fall under Title VII of US code Major Nikon Feb 2016 #5
Non Christians will Hang...Hello Salem! yuiyoshida Feb 2016 #9
Yeah, totaly. linuxman Feb 2016 #18
FINALLY KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #12
boy, that sure sounds a lot like sharia law. pansypoo53219 Feb 2016 #14
Let's start a GoFundMe page for them... Holly_Hobby Feb 2016 #16
These republicans hate America rockfordfile Feb 2016 #19
It is time for this kind of horseshit to be stopped hifiguy Feb 2016 #20
It will be Bettie Feb 2016 #22
So I can commit a quadruple homicide and claim Jesus? Initech Feb 2016 #23

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
1. So if I belong to a religion that requires human sacrifice
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:51 AM
Feb 2016

I can do that in Virginia and I won't be arrested as long as my religious belief in human sacrifice is sincerely held?

Staph

(6,251 posts)
6. Oh, dear.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:58 AM
Feb 2016

The state is West Virginia. We separated from Virginia at the beginning of the Civil War, and became the 35th state on June 20, 1863.


(And, yes, the Republicans took over the state Senate and House of Delegates in 2014. The state is currently in an uproar because they have passed a right-to-work law and an end to prevailing wage. The Democratic governor will be vetoing these bills, and I suspect, the religious freedom law as well. Don't get your panties in a bunch!)


Igel

(35,320 posts)
15. "governmental interest of the highest magnitude that cannot otherwise be achieved"
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 11:28 AM
Feb 2016

The usual requirement for overriding Constitutionally enumerated right is that it serve a compelling government interest.

This raises the bar, but doesn't abolish it.

So take murder. If you could dispose of murder without burdening religion, then there'd be no need to burden free expression of religion. Human sacrifice, however, is murder, so you'd have to find a way of abolishing human sacrifice without burdening free expression of religion. There being no way of doing this, the answer to your question would be no.

It would be up for the courts to determine if the level of equality enjoyed by the GLBT community is the same as that generally enjoyed by the non-named communities without burdening freedom of religion. The difference might be that if you can get all the same services without punishing somebody for a morality crime that doesn't violate their moral code then that might not rise to the bar. As it is, it's often seen to be a government interest to require such state-sponsored and state-legislated morality. (Yes, I'm using what amounts to both '60s liberalese with '80s right-wingese. The '60s "you can't legislate morality" met the '80s "you should legislate morality" in the '00s "it's government's job to legislate morality." Nobody's figured out how to square that particular geometric object.)

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
21. I am the high priestess of Huitzipochtli.
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 08:20 PM
Feb 2016

My God requires at least one beating human heart to be placed on his altar each day. Under this law could I kidnap and sacrifice a steady stream of young men & women? Sure sounds like it.

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
2. Would the bill allow me to ransack banks?
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

Because that's what Jesus did--overturning the tables of the money changers.

This was, in fact, that one most violent action taken by Jesus and his disciples. Going in to trash what, at that time, was big money.

So I expect, next time I'm in West Virginia, to let BankAmerica know just exactly what Jesus would do!

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
13. and, of course, Jesus would want you to take the money home for safe keeping from those
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:00 AM
Feb 2016

money lenders.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
17. I don't care if it rains or freezes, 'long as I've got my plastic Jesus
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

ridin' on the dashboard of my car,

I can go a hundred miles an hour, 'long as I've got the almighty power
glued up there by my pair of fuzzy dice.


Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
5. Federal Civil Rights laws fall under Title VII of US code
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:57 AM
Feb 2016

Those laws wouldn't be affected, and I can't imagine West Virginia having too many laws that go beyond Title VII.

KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
12. FINALLY
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 01:34 AM
Feb 2016

I might have to move to West Virginia so it'd be legal to plaster all the cars in the parking lot of the West Virginia state house with Spaghetti Alfredo. The Flying Spaghetti told me to do this quite some time ago but since it's currently considered an act of vandalism and therefore a crime, I have resisted.

Now I will be able to worship without fear of prosecution.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
20. It is time for this kind of horseshit to be stopped
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016
dead in its tracks, and NOW. Fuck these freaks in the ear with an iron stick.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
22. It will be
Sun Feb 7, 2016, 09:08 PM
Feb 2016

when people of a religion that is not Christian do something based on a deeply held belief.

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