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February 12, 2016
By John McVey
MARTINSBURG - Martinsburg City Council members have voted unanimously and without discussion to deny a request by the West Virginia Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans to parade through downtown Martinsburg on March 5 to celebrate the 155th anniversary of the "birth" of the Confederate flag.
"It's still going to happen - we'll march on the sidewalks," Paul Williams, commander of the West Virginia Division SCV, said ...
The SCV requested to use the Belle Boyd House ...
The Berkeley County Historical Society, which owns the Belle Boyd House property, denied the SCV's request to use the property ...
http://www.journal-news.net/page/content.detail/id/651737/City-council-denies-request-for-SCV-to-march-in-town.html?nav=5006
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)use of the property as terminus for the march, prior to the city council vote. The fact that the property owner refused the request to use the property might have played a role in the refusal to issue a permit for a march onto the property
branford
(4,462 posts)If the City tries to prevent the march, arrest anyone, etc., they will ultimately pay a great deal of money in damages to the SCV and the group will still be allowed to march.
See National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)No person, group of persons or organization shall conduct or participate in any parade, assemblage or procession other than a funeral procession upon any street or highway, or block off any street or highway area, without first obtaining a permit from the Police Chief.
Applications for such permit shall be made on such forms as may be prescribed and shall contain such information as is reasonably necessary to a fair determination of whether a permit should be issued. Applications shall be filed not less than five days before the time intended for such parade, procession or assemblage.
The permit may be refused or canceled if:
(a) The time, place, size or conduct of the parade including the assembly areas and route of march would unreasonably interfere with the public convenience and safe use of the streets and highways.
(b) The parade would require the diversion of so great a number of police officers to properly police the line of movement, assembly area and areas contiguous thereto so as to deny normal police protection to the Municipality.
(c) The parade route of march or assembly areas would unreasonably interfere with the movement of police vehicles, fire-fighting equipment or ambulance service to other areas of the Municipality.
(d) The parade would unreasonably interfere with another parade for which a permit has been issued.
(e) The information contained in the application is found to be false, misleading or incomplete in any material detail.
(f) An emergency such as a fire or storm would prevent the proper conduct of the parade.
The permit or any order accompanying it may limit or prescribe reasonable conditions, including the hours, the places of assembly and of dispersal, the route of march or travel and the streets, highways or portions thereof which may be used or occupied.
branford
(4,462 posts)and courts have no tolerance when towns and cities deny permits and then attempt to cite technicalities as a pretext for discrimination based on content. In this instance, the City did not even appear to offer any reasons for the refusal.
Although no private landowners need participate in any march, and certain matters like march routes and times can be negotiated, outright denials based even in part because of the content of a group's speech are wholly unlawful.
If the Nazis can march in Skokie the Sons of Confederate Veterans can march in Martinsburg. The First Amendment protects unpopular speech no matter the objections of the City Council.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)The city council had better come up with something better than "no comment" unless they want to pay damages.
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)and the implications of the article and quoted comments at the hearing were quite clear, particularly since the council was dealing with other non-discrimination ordinances at the same time. More importantly, in any legal action, the city would bear the burden of proving their actions were not based at all on the content and viewpoint of the marchers, and any denial of the permit would be reviewed under a strict scrutiny standard.
These types of cases appear with disturbing frequency, and the various towns and cities almost never win, nor should they.
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)then make a turn and march down another street about a block to congregate on a private property, the use of which had already been denied to them, and they wanted both streets closed for this. Maybe they need to come up with a new plan
branford
(4,462 posts)but equally visible and accessible, route. That's most certainly not what happened.
As I indicated, it is the city who bears the legal burden of proving its denial was proper and the standards are very high. The issue of congregating on private property (if it is indeed private) as part of the planned march is a red herring and has no bearing on the right to march on the public streets. Groups and municipalities often argue about routines, times, etc., but permits are not actually denied, no less without a clear stated reason.
The city better immediately proffer a totally non-content based reason for the denial, unequivocally demonstrate that viewpoint never entered into any consideration and all other groups are treated identically, and then make clear their understanding that the SCV indeed has the right to march on public streets. If not, a court will quite properly order the permit to be issued and the city will be forced to make a very large and involuntary donation to the SCV.
It's obvious to most anyone what the city is doing and why (and any ambiguities are legally resolved against the city). It's equally obvious that it's unlawful.
The same constitutional protections allow unpopular liberal groups to march, and there's no exception for groups we don't like.
struggle4progress
(118,334 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)but could not consent to the use of private (if it is indeed private) property, we would not be having this discussion, nor would the article be particularly newsworthy.
Let me make this perfectly clear. If the reasons for the city's denial of the permit are held to "unclear," the city will lose any legal challenge. The pertinent law in not complicated at all, and its the reason why municipalities virtually never prevail in their permit denials when challenged.
Any consideration of a permit to march cannot even remotely consider the content and viewpoints of the marchers, no matter how vile or disturbing, and use of pretext is not only easily discernible, but strongly punished by the courts (although in this instance, the city didn't even bother to offer any reason for the permit denial).
littlewolf
(3,813 posts)they do this all the time as a money making endeavor.
branford
(4,462 posts)All the various city councils need to do is follow the Constitution.
The law has been clear for many decades. It's simply inexcusable for them to waste taxpayer money due to ignorance or political grandstanding.