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BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:23 AM Feb 2016

The Democratic Primary Is A Fight Over Wall Street And Obama's Legacy

Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Obama began his presidency by essentially telling movement progressives to shut up and quit making trouble for his corporate-friendly agenda. Former Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs derided and insulted "the professional left" in press conferences. When liberal organizations advocated for a public option during Obamacare talks, former White House Chief Of Staff Rahm Emanuel pressured them to stop by threatening their funding sources. Obama economic adviser Christina Romer was sidelined after demonstrating that the economic stimulus package needed to be much larger than what National Economic Council Chair Larry Summers would accept. Obama has deported more people than any other president -- nearly 25 percent more than even President George W. Bush. He supported Medicare and Social Security cuts for years.


While it's true that he faced scorched-earth opposition from Republicans, it was Obama who pressed for an entitlement-slashing "Grand Bargain" during the nearly catastrophic debt ceiling talks of 2011. This maneuvering on critical support for the elderly is what prompted Sanders in 2011 to advocate for a primary challenger to Obama -- a comment Clinton is now wielding against him as evidence of supposed liberal apostasy.

"I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president, who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president," Sanders said in 2011.

At the time, Sanders didn't come out and say Obama should be replaced -- only that the prospect of another candidate could hold his feet to the fire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-primary-wall-street-obama_us_56be05eee4b0c3c55050f053

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The Democratic Primary Is A Fight Over Wall Street And Obama's Legacy (Original Post) BigBearJohn Feb 2016 OP
It's always nice to see ... NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #1
It's not bashing if it is truthful. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #2
Mm hmm. What ev. NanceGreggs Feb 2016 #3
To quote Skinner: BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #8
What about the TPP persuadable Feb 2016 #15
America is in a battle for its life between Hortensis Feb 2016 #11
No politician, or political party should be above reproach. oh08dem Feb 2016 #5
Amen! We didn't leave the party Lorien Feb 2016 #7
Amen. BigBearJohn Feb 2016 #9
Thank you! whathehell Feb 2016 #13
You probably think that the Patriot Act is Patriotic Lorien Feb 2016 #6
Thanks for the information-filled, counter argument. earthshine Feb 2016 #16
It's a fight over having a future where working people and other species Lorien Feb 2016 #4
up until the past few years I had always thought lock step was what azurnoir Feb 2016 #10
Shouldn't this be in the GDP? kydo Feb 2016 #12
Locking Chemisse Feb 2016 #14

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
1. It's always nice to see ...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:30 AM
Feb 2016

... another Obama-bashing, Democrat-bashing post here on good ol' DemocraticUnderground.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
8. To quote Skinner:
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:54 AM
Feb 2016

Obviously we don't want people deliberately and maliciously posting things that are false in order to smear any of our candidates. But on the other hand, I'm sure everyone agrees that we shouldn't be penalizing anyone for posting something true, if they do so in a relatively civil way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/~Skinner

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. America is in a battle for its life between
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:24 AM
Feb 2016

democratic values and ultraconservative plutocrats who have been working covertly for the past 30 years to take over our country. They operate behind innocent-sounding front organizations, and have control much of the wealth and media of our nation, and most of the GOP.

The lies and twists spread about Obama and how awful liberals are didn't originate with Bernie, they originated with this covert operation. By spreading not valid criticism but slurs designed to take down the Democratic Party -- in preference to the alternative of saying what is GOOD about Bernie -- you are actually carrying water for the enemies of everything you say you believe in.

oh08dem

(339 posts)
5. No politician, or political party should be above reproach.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:49 AM
Feb 2016

Your ire shouldn't be directed at those that challenge the party and its leadership, but at the party and leadership itself for turning THEIR backs on OUR democratic values.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
6. You probably think that the Patriot Act is Patriotic
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:51 AM
Feb 2016

and that the "clear skies initiative" lead to clearer skies. I've got news for you: Not all labels are honest or true, and political parties are NOT f-ing Sports Teams!

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
16. Thanks for the information-filled, counter argument.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

Hillary supporters do not win when the truth comes out.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
4. It's a fight over having a future where working people and other species
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:49 AM
Feb 2016

can survive on this planet, vs. protecting the status quo that places the wealth of a few in the short term over all else.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jul/07/research.waste

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. up until the past few years I had always thought lock step was what
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:03 AM
Feb 2016
they did we allowed ourselves the ability to question and criticize our leaders, that was what made us different and fwiw better, sadly I was wrong at least for some
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