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Can we make sense of the Malheur mess?
A writer finds camaraderie and despair inside the Oregon standoff.
Essay Feb. 12, 2016 Web Exclusive
by Hal Herring
High Country News
No one seemed interested in the fate of the lands they were claiming in the takeover. None could explain why a mostly Gentile band of militants were now following what is almost entirely a Mormon-led insurrection, with a man named Ammon, named after the leader of the Nephites, at the head, or a man who calls himself Captain Moroni (Alma 59:13 And it came to pass that Moroni was angry with the government, because of their indifference concerning the freedom of their country) on guard duty, or a spokesman like Finicum, whose ranch in Cane Beds, Arizona is less than two miles from the FLDS enclave of Colorado City. The Gentile militants seem uninterested in how they might fit in to a renewed State of Deseret, even though the language that the Bundy leaders use is almost identical to the 19th century plans for that kingdom, and the Malheur lies at the very northern expanse of the old State of Deseret claims. They do not see themselves as volunteers in a new version of the Nauvoo Legion from the Utah War of 1857-58 because none of them seem to know, or be interested in, any of that history.
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The Bundys and the militants who follow and support them are the agents of their own destruction.
Should these adherents to the land transfer movement succeed and have the public lands given or sold to the states, some version of the State of Deseret will almost certainly flourish. Such a place already exists, of course: the Desert Ranches, owned by the Church of Latter Day Saints, 235,000 acres in Utah and 678,000 acres in Florida (2 percent of Floridas landmass). The LDS corporation would certainly be prepared to make some very large purchases of what is now public land, but it is highly unlikely that any of the Bundy family, or any of Finicums many children, would be grazing their cows there. Smaller operators cannot own lands that do not put enough pounds on cows to pay property taxes. It is unlikely that any of the current crop of smallholder ranchers anywhere in the West will be able to bid for productive land against the Church; or against families like the Wilks of Texas, who have so far bought over 300,000 acres of austere grazing land north of the Missouri Breaks in Montana; or the Koch family, whose ranch holdings comprise about 460,000 acres (including almost a quarter million acres in Montana); or Ted Turner, who has some 2 million acres across the US; or Stan Kroenke, who two years ago purchased the 165,000-acre Broken O Ranch in Montana and has just bought the 510,000 acre W.T. Waggoner Ranch in Texas.
Buyers, in a world packed and competitive beyond the imaginations of those who set aside these unclaimed and abandoned lands as forest reserves and public grazing lands in the early 1900s, are now everywhere, planet-wide. As Utah State Rep. Ken Ivory, when he was president of the American Lands Council, famously said of privatizing federal lands, Its like having your hands on the lever of a modern-day Louisiana Purchase.
https://www.hcn.org/articles/malheur-occupation-oregon-ammon-bundy-public-lands-essay
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)tencats
(567 posts)I took my time reading and then hurriedly posted to the forum just before I ran off to work.
Link is now added at bottom.
MH1
(17,600 posts)The obvious features of this incident are so blatant and captivating on their own, it's easy to forget the far more serious and insidious (IMHO) backstory.
randome
(34,845 posts)...when the real threat was from Fundamentalist Mormons. Life is strange.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)theme works to unify the bodies to implement the crazy/imperial agenda... usually religion works to keep the masses under control and as a recruitment tool.
randome
(34,845 posts)Ammon corralled all the malcontents in one place and Cliven walked lightly into the waiting arms of the authorities.
Not a lot of smarts in this bunch.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
malaise
(269,054 posts)Thanks tencats
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)Here's the link to this story
http://www.hcn.org/articles/malheur-occupation-oregon-ammon-bundy-public-lands-essay
And this is the page about the issue in general which contains a lot of background info
http://www.hcn.org/issues/48.2
High Country News is a good source of info about what's going on in the western states that you won't hear about until someone or something hits the fan.
MH1
(17,600 posts)I had missed that it wasn't in the original post.
This is an important article and I sure hope people read it. It really lays out what is at stake here. And what's at stake here is bigger than which Democrat wins the nomination, in my opinion. (Unless one or the other will operate substantively different on this issue. Except we can't let them. Period.)
2naSalit
(86,647 posts)It's incredibly important and the rest of the country is missing a major point of what's going on out here. There is too much at stake for all of us to ignore this issue that has been swept under the rug for decades. It has reached the boiling point and the Malheur event was illustrative of this... ignore it at your peril.
The other link is important and I hope that people take the time to read some of the other articles to gain a broader picture of what is happening out here and learn how it is tied to the villains we all know something about who are buying our government at a rapid pace. This is a pretty good info source for issues in the western states that everyone should be aware about and take action when needed.