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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:44 AM Feb 2016

THE GUARDIAN: Let the record reflect: the American people are a bunch of suckers.



“Weapons of mass destruction.” “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.” “Read my lips.” “I am not a crook.” “We still seek no wider war.” And these whoppers are merely a sampling from a handful of recent presidents. To strike the broad pure vein of American credulity one need dig only a bit to turn up such gems as Wilbert Lee “Pappy” O’Daniel of Fort Worth, Texas, a Depression-era salesman for the Burrus Mill and Elevator Company, producer of Light Crust Flour. In the early 30s, O’Daniel began hosting a radio show featuring the soon-to-be famous Bob Wills and the Light Crust Doughboys, though O’Daniel’s soothing, fatherly voice and easily digestible patter quickly became the real draw of the show. At 12.30 each weekday the broadcast opened with a country matron’s request to “please pass the biscuits, Pappy”. For the next 15 minutes, listeners – many of them housewives taking a midday break – were treated to twangy renditions of gospel and hillbilly tunes, interspersed with Pappy reading scripture, ad copy for Light Crust Flour, sentimental poems, and tributes to motherhood, Texas heroes, and good Christian living. His popularity grew to the point that he left Burrus Mill and started his own company, Hillbilly Flour, and began blasting his show over the 100,000 watts of XEPN, a pirate radio station across the border in Mexico.

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The effect was electric. O’Daniel had what would later be known as “name recognition”; everyone had heard, or at least heard of, Pappy. Crowds of 20,000 or more turned out for his rallies, and more than once mobs of fans forced his caravan to an unscheduled stop so they could hear the “common citizen’s candidate” rail on professional politicians, recite scripture, and plug Hillbilly Flour. An evangelical fervor was present from the start, fanned by the candidate’s Christian oratory and old-timey gospel music. The prominent Baptist minister J Frank Norris compared Pappy to Moses, predicting he would lead the country back to its Christian roots. As one historian wrote:

The O’Daniel rallies appealed to the same deep human instinct and provided the same emotional outlets which the camp meeting formerly offered. Here again was the chance to enjoy the thrill and glory of a martial movement without risking any physical bloodshed. Christ was still the hero and Satan still the enemy, but … Christ’s good, which had previously radiated from the camp-meeting preacher, was now represented by the flour-salesman. Satan’s evil, previously attached to that abhorred aristocracy which had been the pioneer’s European superior, was now found to reside in the professional politician.




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In the arsenal of the phony, the politics of God is one of the deadliest punches to the sweet spot of the American mind. Citizens capable of the most acute analysis in other areas of their lives – regarding finance, say, or electronics, or the infinitely complex variables of fantasy sports leagues – are reduced to blithering dupes when exposed to the Christian pitch. Something spooky happens to that excellent American mind that brought us moon landings and the silicon chip and the wonderful stuff that saves our kids from polio. No matter if the candidate has had three or four wives or fired thousands of workers or dropped biblical plagues of bombs on rice farmers and sheep herders, merely saying the magic words makes it so. Christian values. Strong for Jesus. In God we trust, and all the rest. Incantations that render large chunks of the electorate as dazed and vulnerable as pre-contact tribesmen from the deepest Amazon hearing a transistor radio for the first time.

oh yes, there is more:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/13/american-politics-election-voters-suckers?CMP=twt_gu
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THE GUARDIAN: Let the record reflect: the American people are a bunch of suckers. (Original Post) kpete Feb 2016 OP
Voter Suppression is estimated fredamae Feb 2016 #1
The intention is to break that 8% disenfranchisement this time around. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #22
Too many Americans fall for religion-driven political bullshit the way valerief Feb 2016 #2
Yup!!!! SoapBox Feb 2016 #7
And there is no way to have an intelligent discussion Duval Feb 2016 #11
That's how it's designed. Logic/science takes a back seat. nt valerief Feb 2016 #25
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2016 #3
But it might not have been Bernie in that photo. Hell, bush was AWOL. And he did two terms. Gregorian Feb 2016 #4
Ughhhhhh... SoapBox Feb 2016 #9
And the same kind of propaganda is being broadcast every day over the japple Feb 2016 #10
Mass Insanity colsohlibgal Feb 2016 #5
Mass Insanity AlbertCat Feb 2016 #13
I don't think the Brits are in a position to talk. AllyCat Feb 2016 #6
+1. They just elected Cameron too LittleBlue Feb 2016 #8
The Guardian is not a Conservative newspaper Spider Jerusalem Feb 2016 #15
Very true LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #30
And that is not what I said. AllyCat Feb 2016 #33
The author is an American oberliner Feb 2016 #16
Indeed LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #29
They are good at ripping on the faults and foibles of Americans. pa28 Feb 2016 #26
As Oberliner said, the author is American... LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #31
As a Christian Deist, I mock the man made Christian values regularly. retrowire Feb 2016 #12
it's the US of A - perception always beats facts and reason. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2016 #14
k&R Mbrow Feb 2016 #17
"Citizens capable of the most acute analysis in other areas of their lives" IDemo Feb 2016 #18
hence the USCCB's adoption of Reaganomics and the Salvadoran War! MisterP Feb 2016 #19
"Pappy O'Daniel" was used in the movie "O'Brother Where Art Thou" played by Charles Durning. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #20
The three worst words in modern English? Moostache Feb 2016 #21
The U.S.A. is a dangerous nation, full of stupid people. tabasco Feb 2016 #23
“Pappy” O’Daniel - O! Brother Where Art Thou? Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #24
Reminds me, I have to go buy some Pomade. kairos12 Feb 2016 #32
I posted the same damned article at 1:00 PM longship Feb 2016 #27
So are the Brits; we elected Maggie three times LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #28

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
1. Voter Suppression is estimated
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:52 AM
Feb 2016

to disenfranchise about 8% of the electorate.

While the rest of us are still allowed to Vote-Please educate/inform yourselves and Vote.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
2. Too many Americans fall for religion-driven political bullshit the way
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
Feb 2016

they do in the Middle East also.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
4. But it might not have been Bernie in that photo. Hell, bush was AWOL. And he did two terms.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:58 AM
Feb 2016

What a bunch of dipshits many of our voters are.

Here's one example of how it all started. People believed the hype:

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
9. Ughhhhhh...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:58 PM
Feb 2016

I got about a minute and had to stop...ya know, to me it's like the "weirdos" (for lack of a description) were the ones that produced this kind of stuff.

It's just creepy that shit like this was made as propoganda.

japple

(9,833 posts)
10. And the same kind of propaganda is being broadcast every day over the
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Feb 2016

airwaves by Fox news and other rightwing media outlets.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
5. Mass Insanity
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

I sense a kind of absurdity about all religion. I watched this week's "Vice" about the Syrian refugee crisis and along with empathy for the plight of those people...it struck me how weird religions can be. Women going along with covering up their face, a Catholic Priest discussing the crisis with a funny looking red semi hat on the top of his head.

As someone not brought up by religious parents I was not brainwashed to buy into any of it at an early, impressionable age. I am grateful for that.

We need to be a secular nation more than ever but to get there yes, people need to quit being sheep and use their brains.

Also even republicans need to acknowledge the incalcuble damage caused by Bush and the Supreme Court who installed him.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
13. Mass Insanity
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

People should be able to worship whatever baloney they want (as long as it doesn't break any secular laws)... that's correct.

But people who think their religion trumps the laws of the land need to rethink...if they can. The laws of the land are (in theory) for EVERYONE. Your religious laws and whatever are just for you and your fellow believers.... not EVERYONE. Salvation religions (like Xianity and Islam) are the worst because they think the whole world will be all whatever ancient mish-mash they believe....something that will never happen. It is profoundly sad seeing people suffer for these stupid pipe dreams.

The best thing is to just free yourself from ancient superstition.


Also, religions are simply ancient government. Trying to run 2 governments at the same time seems pretty dumb.

And if religion is gonna get supplemented with perks and exemptions, I wish the arts would get equal treatment. They are just as important to culture as any Bronze Age superstition.

AllyCat

(16,189 posts)
6. I don't think the Brits are in a position to talk.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:34 PM
Feb 2016

They elected Thatcher, and supported Tony Blair's little war with W.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
15. The Guardian is not a Conservative newspaper
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:46 PM - Edit history (1)

and the UK isn't monolithic; Thatcher's Tories never got more than 43% of the vote, and Cameron couldn't get above 36%. And support for the war in Iraq was never above 54% among the UK public (it was 72% in the US).

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
30. Very true
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:43 PM
Feb 2016

And after the very beginning, the majority were against the Iraq war.

Our electoral system was designed for two parties, but we have more than two parties. The results can be quite bizarre.

One of the Tories' greatest debacle was at the hands of Attlee in 1945, when they got only 36% of the vte. Well, they got exactly the same percentage of the vote in 2010, and less than 1 percent more in 2015, yet they supposedly won a great victory! Due to a split between several parties of the opposition vote, and our weird electoral system.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
29. Indeed
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:39 PM
Feb 2016

Still, we in the UK can also sigh over our many mistakes.

Though even Cameron is not as bad as Trump or Cruz IMO.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
26. They are good at ripping on the faults and foibles of Americans.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 04:50 PM
Feb 2016

While completely ignoring their own.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
31. As Oberliner said, the author is American...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:45 PM
Feb 2016

I agree we mostly don't make great electoral choices ourselves.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
12. As a Christian Deist, I mock the man made Christian values regularly.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

I really do disapprove of Religion in politics.

Wanna hear something funny? My mom was raised Baptist Christian, as was I. But though she's liberal minded and voted for Obama twice and is voting for Bernie this time, she doesn't detect the Christian radicalism in the posts she shares on Facebook.

That's how weak the mind becomes when Christianity is presented to it.

There was a post that went something like this.

"I was teaching my 11 year old daughter US Geography, and we found a map of the United States in the newspaper. So I cut the map into pieces and gave her all the pieces to put back together. She went into another room for a few minutes and then called me in there when she was done. She said, "Daddy look, I put it all back together!" Amazed, I asked, "How'd you do it?" She then told me that there was a picture of Jesus on the back of the map I had cut up, and said, "I just used Jesus to put the US back together." SHARE THIS POST IF YOU AGREE THAT WE NEED JESUS TO PUT US BACK TOGETHER!!!""


So basically, my mom shared this post, got plenty of likes. It was her Christian upbringing that taught her that God is always good, and never to question it. God brings everyone together! God is love!

But she doesn't stop to think about Westboro Baptist Church. Or stop to think about all the ways that Man uses God as a weapon to corrupt and poison others.

So the message of Christian radicalism just gets shared around, tongue in cheek (Oh, we're just loving God is all!). And no one stops to think, that maybe, JUST MAYBE, everyone is loving God for VASTLY different reasons.

If I had a Facebook, you know how I would have responded to my mom's post? "So the little girl cheated by putting together a picture on the back? She needs more school. Praise the lord for truth!"

But that's just me. lol

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
14. it's the US of A - perception always beats facts and reason.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

We are on average not a very bright populace, I for one say a large part of the cause is the
tremendous role religion plays as a significant force in so many people's lives. If religion
isn't perception aka 'belief based on nothing' I don't know what is.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
18. "Citizens capable of the most acute analysis in other areas of their lives"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

I would argue that the mindset required to embrace any religion makes for an easy pathway for followers to 'believe' in poppycock such as Supply Side economics, even if empirical evidence disproves it.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
20. "Pappy O'Daniel" was used in the movie "O'Brother Where Art Thou" played by Charles Durning.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:46 PM
Feb 2016


Thanks for the thread, kpete.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
21. The three worst words in modern English?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

Fuck you asshole?
Eat my shit?
Die motherfucker die?

Nope....all distant runners up.

In
Jesus'
Name

Any time some nitwit fundie waste of resources spews that little 3 word gem out you can be sure of two things:
1) they have just finished telling you why some out-group persecution is 100% legit
2) they have glazed over eyes that are unsettlingly creepy to look at

These people are lunatics. There is no 2 ways about it. They believe in things with no proof, make up other things on the fly and add it to their evolving fantasy land and they have an incredibly sensitive pleasure center that allows anyone craven enough to desire to completely control their minds with insane tripe as long as the little 3 words above are included.

But, do not believe me. Don't think for 1 second that I have come across secret knowledge that I am trying to impart here.
Listen to them.
Watch them.

They are on TV a lot right now. One of them - Ted Cruz - is vying for the highest office in the land right now.
Watch HIM. Watch the sheeple in his crowds. Listen to their words. Listen for the 3 most evil words in the world right now.
You can draw your own conclusions after that.

longship

(40,416 posts)
27. I posted the same damned article at 1:00 PM
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:34 PM
Feb 2016

With details and a short commentary. I got two kicks and three DUrecs using the Guardian title as my title.

One of the kicks was critical of the post.

Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027605628

What in the Sam Hell?
The vagaries of a political forum?

No wonder I don't post too many OPs.

There's almost no point if folks just ignore them.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
28. So are the Brits; we elected Maggie three times
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:37 PM
Feb 2016

There are few countries where the electorate are not frequently 'suckers'.

I think it was Winston Churchill, who said that democracy is the worst possible system - except for all the others.

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