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Here is the question, and it is a BIG QUESTION. If the SC rules on a case 4 to 4, is that yes or no (Original Post) still_one Feb 2016 OP
The lower court decision stands dragonlady Feb 2016 #1
wow, that is really a wild card still_one Feb 2016 #5
It is like DU - the post will not be Hidden. DURHAM D Feb 2016 #2
Best response, but unfortunately TOS I don't think apply still_one Feb 2016 #7
It's a 'let stand' decision being appealed. elleng Feb 2016 #3
Thanks still_one Feb 2016 #16
Lower Court decision stands. rug Feb 2016 #4
Good one.. I am sure that has happened sometime LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #6
Which is what someone else said in the thread, the lower court decision stands still_one Feb 2016 #12
By the time I found it and posted it and saved it, well you know the rest of the story LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #14
anyway thanks. I knew we had the expertise in the know still_one Feb 2016 #17
It affirms the lower court's decision. But its not its own decision. Nailzberg Feb 2016 #8
I thought I heard on CNN LynnTTT Feb 2016 #9
Constitutional crisis? still_one Feb 2016 #13
It sits vacant until someone is confirmed davidn3600 Feb 2016 #18
A majority of SC decisions are unanimous. former9thward Feb 2016 #10
No. Depaysement Feb 2016 #11
The lower court deicison stands and no precedent is set davidn3600 Feb 2016 #15
It gets doubly interesting when you look at the complexion of a 8 person court. skip fox Feb 2016 #19
I think you are being way too optimistic. There are those on the judiciary committee who will still_one Feb 2016 #20

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
6. Good one.. I am sure that has happened sometime
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016
Although rare, 4-4 ties are hardly unheard-of—justices do recuse themselves from time to time. A split decision effectively upholds the ruling of the lower court (presumably a state supreme court). In the event of such a tie, the court typically issues what's known as a per curiam decision. The opinion in such a decision is issued under the court's name, as opposed to consisting of a majority and a minority opinion. Justices, however, may attach dissenting opinions to the per curiam decision if they like—as happened in Bush v. Gore.

When a 4-4 deadlock does occur, the case is not deemed to have set any sort of precedent. Tradition holds that the court's per curiam opinion in such ties is usually very, very terse, often consisting of no more than a single sentence: "The judgment is affirmed by an equally divided court." But it's a safe bet that the opinion in Kerry v. Bush or Bush v. Kerry would be a lot longer than usual.



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/11/what_happens_in_ascotus_tie.html

LynnTTT

(362 posts)
9. I thought I heard on CNN
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:26 PM
Feb 2016

that in the case, the decision reverts back to the last federal ruling?
I want to know what happens when the Senate refuses to confirm any nomination, then Hillary wins the Presidency but the Senate is still Republican. Does that mean we never get justices. And say another justice dies? The Senate gets to refuse to confirm forever.?

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
18. It sits vacant until someone is confirmed
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

There isn't even any constitutional rule that there has to be 9 justices. The Congress can actually change the number.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
10. A majority of SC decisions are unanimous.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

Despite the perception. A 4-4 vote just means what ever the lower court said stands (as a lower court decision, not a SC decision).

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
15. The lower court deicison stands and no precedent is set
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

It's that simple. If it is 4-4, whatever the lower court decision was is what remains in force. But a future court can revisit the case without that decision impacting it.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
19. It gets doubly interesting when you look at the complexion of a 8 person court.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016

4 fairly steady liberal voices, 2-3 steady conservative voices, and at least one who might stray.

This may be one of the reasons the Senate confirms one of Obama's nominees. They'll get tired of 5-3 decisions always going against them. It's like the house's percentage of "luck" in Vegas. There will either be ties or loses. No victories. And they can't slow down the lower courts, so . . . . Well, they're stuck again.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
20. I think you are being way too optimistic. There are those on the judiciary committee who will
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:41 PM
Feb 2016

block anything the President does, regardless

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