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Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:01 PM Jun 2012

On the "insane scenario" that everyone's talking about.

I'm of course talking about Jamelle Bouie's piece from The American Prospect: http://prospect.org/article/insane-scenario-unfolding-our-eyes. The essence of the piece is that the Republicans have obstructed all or most of President Obama's economic ideas, and are now set to reap the rewards of a failing economy caused by that obstruction.

This piece has been comforting to many because it is almost completely correct (more on why I say "almost" later). However, to call it an "insane" or "ludicrous" scenario is in and of itself insane and ludicrous. Anyone who is surprised has to be shocked by two things:

1. The Republicans would deliberately hurt the country for their own political and ideological aims;

2. Voters would ignore facts and blame the people in power for their economic troubles.

I don't think anyone on this site is honestly surprised about #1, so let's move on to #2.

Look at every single presidential election of the past 100 years. In fact, look at any truly Democratic election anywhere in the world over the same time period. If we are in an economic downturn when the election happens, the incumbent party loses. Every time.
There is nothing magic or surprising about this. When people are hurting economically they need someone to blame, and they have neither the time nor the inclination to try to understand the facts behind the downturn. If fact, one of the reasons why the economy may collapse now has to do with the elections in Greece: the Greek people, who are going through a major economic downturn, appear to be ready to throw out the right-wing, pro-austerity politicians in charge and vote in a left-wing government that is likely to default on Greek debt obligations and leave the Eurozone. Incumbents don't win in a severe economic downturn - never have, never will.

The Republicans, always savvy politicians even though they're bat-shit crazy, know this. Hence item #1 above.

This is what's had me terrified since Obama took office and hired his economic team. He talked about "hope and change" yet brought none to his economic advisers. The people he consults with daily are part of the same group of people that got us into this mess in the first place. The policies Geithner, Bernanke and the rest put into place weren't long-term solutions that addressed the systemic problems that caused the crisis; they were band-aids, designed to keep us limping along until (hopefully) the next election.

The problems in our economy run extremely deep, and there was never any easy solution. Any real solution to the problem is going to cause a lot of pain to a lot of people. We cannot, as a society, continue to go into debt forever. No society that's done that, throughout all of history, has lasted very long. The president needed to be extremely honest with us about this from the day he took office. Instead he tried to pretend that there could be a painless fix, one in which he had the luxury (for instance) to compromise with the Republicans on tax cuts for the very rich. He never had that luxury.

Now, ironically, our best chance to avoid a descent into total fascism may be the Greek elections. If the right-wing party wins, they will continue the austerity measures the Eurozone has put into place, the markets will rally, and the inevitable may be stalled long enough for our own economy to appear to pick up steam just long enough to keep Obama in office. It will be terrible for the Greeks and only give everyone a few more months, but that may be the best we can hope for.

The saying goes that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results. If so, we are the ones who are truly insane.

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Pale Blue Dot

(16,831 posts)
3. The general tone of the article and of the comments about it here
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:33 PM
Jun 2012

was one of shock and surprise that this is happening. I'm not shocked or surprised in the least.

But whatever, if this issue of semantics is what's most important to talk about - well, again, I wish I was surprised, but I'm not.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
2. Here is my view
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:32 PM
Jun 2012

Maybe, and that's a small maybe, republicans could have "reaped" some rewards with this policy, but for one thing, they put the "clown" team up as candidates to run against president Obama, and now with the head "clown", Romney, as their "leader", they aren't going to control of the WH. Now if they had put out more credible people to run for their candidate, then maybe things would be different, but even the powers that be in the republican party don't like Romney, and if he were to win, they would be stuck with him in office for 4 to 8 years, and their "a" team wouldn't be able to run in 2016.

I just don't see Romney as their knight in white armor who will bring the power back to them.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. I don't think the Republicans even have to be all that deliberate, or "savvy."
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:41 PM
Jun 2012

It's the Party of Me First; collectively they're narcissistic. I would think just following their "principles" they would naturally support and enact policy that would only help whatever they define as "themselves," despite running the country off a cliff.

unblock

(52,277 posts)
6. you got it. the strategy was never presidential, it was always congressional.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012

the strategy of blocking obama at every turn was always about playing to the ardent right-winger partisans in the districts that had put, or might put, right-wing partisan republicans in congress.

brinksmanship and drama and fighting at every turn is great for firing up the base. it plays to the right-wing and ignores the rest of us, but that's quite a lot of the districts these right-wingers represent.


it was never actually a presidential strategy, but then, this is the republican congressional legacy of the last few years, so of course they're going to talk about it as if it had been all along. but the bottom line is that the fight "to make obama a one-term president" was always a strategy by republicans in congress for republicans in congress.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. I am reminded of a line from Colleen McCullogh's "Masters of Rome" novels.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:57 PM
Jun 2012

In which Caesar, writing to a friend, jokes that to be a good Boni (a member of the reactionary faction) tribune of the plebs all you need to be able to do is to yell "VETO! VETO!".

BadgerKid

(4,554 posts)
8. Creating a middle class helped make this country great.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:45 AM
Jun 2012

It's jaw-dropping to see the scenario playing out in which the opposite is going to be portrayed as the savior to a poor economy. Basically, Romney *is* the GOP's ideal candidate here because gutting the patient to save the patient (while extracting the soul/wealth) is what Bain was all about. So I'm presently finding myself nodding my head to the notion that the Greek results will be a factor in how the GOP runs their election campaign.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
9. A year ago..
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:15 AM
Jun 2012

.. I was pretty sure Obama was toast. Now, I'm not so sure. Oh, I'm JUST AS SURE that the economy is going nowhere, but I'm rethinking the idea that an incumbent cannot win under such circumstances.

Because I think more people than usual "get" that congress is the problem and that congress is controlled (at least the house which is indispensible for legislation) is Republican.

And then Romney comes along. In fact, other then Huntsman perhaps, the entire field of losers. Perry, a complete idiot - literally a male version of Palin, Gingrich - a sociopathic narcissist who thinks that turning logic on its head is the same as "thinking", a nobody like Cain, and on and on - until the only one with an ounce of sanity, Romney, falls out of the bottom. Romney is a horrible campaigner, his stilted speech, his assumption that everyone worships the businessman when believe me that's one thing this economy has taken care of - the ridiculous worship of the businessman.

Obama could win this. Not that I think that it makes much difference. But it would be satisfying to see Republicans seethe four more years over having a black man in the white house.

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