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phylny

(8,386 posts)
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:22 PM Feb 2016

I have a serious question about Supreme Court nominations and elections

that I asked in another thread, but no one has answered it yet.

I'm not a minority, but a white middle-aged woman. I'm politically aware, other citizens of all races may or may not be. I have no way of judging the mindset of Hispanic Americans or any other group, so I'm asking sincerely: WHY do people think the Senate refusing to confirm a nominee such as Justice Cuellar or Loretta Lynch or any person of color would motivate one or more groups of people to vote for Democrats in the upcoming election? Is there precedent for this? Will people pay attention enough to care?

Thanks for educating me!

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I have a serious question about Supreme Court nominations and elections (Original Post) phylny Feb 2016 OP
Good question, Will people pay attention enough to care? elleng Feb 2016 #1
Race kryptoniandawn Feb 2016 #2
I'm sorry, I don't understand your answer to my question. phylny Feb 2016 #6
There is no research behind it. It is a prediction alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #8
I'm neither happy nor unhappy. phylny Feb 2016 #11
Do you mean conservatives? kryptoniandawn Feb 2016 #15
What I mean, and I'm probably not being clear enough, phylny Feb 2016 #19
Which one of Justice Scalia's opinions TeddyR Feb 2016 #18
you are correct that most people do not care Skittles Feb 2016 #3
It may be just enough of a push to get somebody cloudbase Feb 2016 #4
It's not "people" in the senate... TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #5
I agree, it's republicans, but phylny Feb 2016 #7
Purely anecdotal, but it is not wishful thinking in my little corner. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #9
Yes, anecdotally I also know some Republicans who are phylny Feb 2016 #12
There's no basis for the prediction either way alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #10
Exactly. onenote Feb 2016 #16
No it's not wishful! Look at Bernie sanders campaign TheSocialDem Feb 2016 #14
It won't be race that motivates voters to vote. The majority of Americans voted for Obama B Calm Feb 2016 #13
Remember kryptoniandawn Feb 2016 #17
Agreed TeddyR Feb 2016 #20
Not really.... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #21
Right TeddyR Feb 2016 #22

elleng

(131,103 posts)
1. Good question, Will people pay attention enough to care?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:24 PM
Feb 2016

I don't know, but I assume those who say it think so, and maybe think the Dem party ???? or the candidates will make a big enough deal of it to encourage people to pay attention and care.

 

kryptoniandawn

(33 posts)
2. Race
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

Isn't really the issue. Senate Republicans will block ANY nominated judge as long as Obama does the nomination. If you want a judge that will issue decisions based on the Constitution rather than Fox News / His personal religious beliefs, you'll need to get out the vote and put a democrat in office. If you're cool with the idea of Justice Fallwell, or Justice Pat Robertson, then stay home; when fewer people vote, conservatives win (or in other words, when democracy is lazy, tyrants seize control).

phylny

(8,386 posts)
6. I'm sorry, I don't understand your answer to my question.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:32 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

My question has to do with people posting saying if Obama nominates a minority who is either ignored or rejected by the Republican Senate, that will encourage minorities to come out and vote. I was wondering if this was just wishful thinking, or if it has some research behind it.

I personally am only cool with a left-of-center judge to be nominated.

Do you have an answer to my original question?

Thanks, and welcome to DU

Edited HOPEFULLY for clarity

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
8. There is no research behind it. It is a prediction
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

Like most claims of groundswells of support to come in the future, it has almost no basis at all.

Happy?

phylny

(8,386 posts)
11. I'm neither happy nor unhappy.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

I'm hoping that yes, it makes a difference. I was wondering if there was precedent.

Please don't be rude. Thanks.

 

kryptoniandawn

(33 posts)
15. Do you mean conservatives?
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:53 PM
Feb 2016

Are you saying that you've heard people who would not otherwise vote Democrat would do so because of a SCOTUS nominee?

By my answer, I meant that what I have heard is the SCOTUS issue raises the stakes, and gets more people to the polls. I haven't heard that one race or another will do something, just that all liberals are more likely to vote knowing what is at stake. If you're hearing that Obama intends to nominate a Hispanic judge to rally support from Hispanic voters, this is not something I have heard.

phylny

(8,386 posts)
19. What I mean, and I'm probably not being clear enough,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:04 PM
Feb 2016

is that if Obama nominates a minority (and I hate writing that word, because minorities soon will be the majority!), and his nominee is outright ignored or voted down by the Senate Republicans, then minority groups may become so upset that they'll be more likely to come out and vote. I do not mean that Obama is choosing a candidate to GET support from a particular group.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
18. Which one of Justice Scalia's opinions
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:02 PM
Feb 2016

Were anti-Constitutional? My point really is that there are lots of ways to interpret the Constitution. For example, I think Scalia's opinion in Heller was true to the Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers, but also think that Kennedy's opinion in Citizens United was a travesty. Scalia would have justified both, even though he didn't author Citizens United.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
3. you are correct that most people do not care
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

they care more about America's next top model than the next Supreme Court justice

cloudbase

(5,525 posts)
4. It may be just enough of a push to get somebody
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

to go out and vote.

Outright dismissal of any non-anglo candidate might be seen by some as anything from willfully being ignored to lack of respect to outright racism. Every group wants to, and should, have a seat at the table.

TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
5. It's not "people" in the senate...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016

It's the republicans and it will highlight their racism and obstructionism that's attempting to keep the government from being able to govern and the country divided.

phylny

(8,386 posts)
7. I agree, it's republicans, but
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:42 PM
Feb 2016

is it wishful thinking to believe their obstructionism is going to matter?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
9. Purely anecdotal, but it is not wishful thinking in my little corner.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:45 PM
Feb 2016

I know of several GOP-voting people who are disgusted enough to either stay home or vote D on election day. Staying home is good enough for me. Voting D is a cherry on top.

They've done it too much, and the hatred of those Congress critters is showing.

phylny

(8,386 posts)
12. Yes, anecdotally I also know some Republicans who are
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:51 PM
Feb 2016

fit to be tied about their current crop of "candidates" and a few who are leaning left now.

Thanks very much

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
10. There's no basis for the prediction either way
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:45 PM
Feb 2016

It may matter, it may not. Depends who plays it right politically over the next several months.

onenote

(42,759 posts)
16. Exactly.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:55 PM
Feb 2016

Just as we hope the repubs blocking a nomination will energize certain groups to support Democratic candidates, the GOP hopes that by blocking the nomination they will energize their side to come out and try to defeat the Democratic presidential candidate (and Democratic Senatorial candidates) in order to ensure they, not Obama or his successor, replace Scalia.

TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
14. No it's not wishful! Look at Bernie sanders campaign
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:52 PM
Feb 2016

I'm on the more optimistic side but what we are seeing right now is people being fed up with the dysfunction if congress (on both sides, via trump with the republicans, although the middle class people supporting the trump have been lied to (by fox 'news') about the root cause of said problems and ignorantly support trump or any republican). Bernie sanders revolution is well underway and more obstructionism on the part of republicans in the senate on the Supreme Court nomination will only fan the revolutionary flames.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
13. It won't be race that motivates voters to vote. The majority of Americans voted for Obama
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:52 PM
Feb 2016

and he represents us. If Senate Republicans block Obama's constitutional right to fill a vacant seat on the court, voters will punish them and vote Democratic!

 

kryptoniandawn

(33 posts)
17. Remember
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

It's not just the president's right to appoint, it's also the Senate's right to reject. Too many of us are forgetting that a fully partisan effort to reject every single attempt by Obama to appoint a judge is completely legal and constitutional. Revolting, yes, but still completely within their rights.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
20. Agreed
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:06 PM
Feb 2016

If the Senate rejects President Obama's nominee along partisan lines then there's nothing unconstitutional. Whether it is simply politics and unjustified is another story.

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
21. Not really....
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:07 PM
Feb 2016
It's not just the president's duty to appoint, it's also the Senate's duty to approve or reject.


FIFY. The constitution says "shall" not "can if they feel like it."
 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
22. Right
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 08:49 PM
Feb 2016

So the republicans could reject any Obama nominee. And the Constitution sets no timeline on a vote, so a delay of months (and months and months) wouldn't be unconstitutional.

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