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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:14 AM Feb 2016

The (right-wing) conspiracy theorists who have taken over Poland

Jarosław Kaczyński has convinced Poland that it is threatened by a shadowy leftwing cabal – and become the country’s most powerful man

With a penchant for conspiracy and a vituperative speaking style, Jarosław Kaczyński routinely brands his opponents “gangsters”, “cronies”, and “reds”. Before the parliamentary elections in October 2015, he claimed that migrants from the Middle East were bringing cholera and dysentery to Europe, risking the spread of “various parasites and protozoa”. More recently, he implied that people demonstrating against the Law and Justice government were “the worst sort of Poles” – an epithet they have adopted as a badge of honour.

Commonly labelled conservative or nationalist, Law and Justice blends the religious and patriotic rituals of Poland’s long history of resistance to foreign oppression with hostility to free-market capitalism and a heavy dose of conspiracy regarding the machinations of Poland’s enemies. It is the vanguard of a movement that goes far beyond the party itself, supported by sympathetic smaller parties, ultra-Catholic media, nationalist youth organisations and an assortment of cranks and cynics who share a hostility to liberalism in all its guises. As foreign minister Witold Waszczykowski told the German tabloid Bild, his government “only wants to cure our country of a few illnesses”, such as: “a new mixture of cultures and races, a world made up of cyclists and vegetarians, who only use renewable energy and who battle all signs of religion … What moves most Poles [is] tradition, historical awareness, love of country, faith in God and normal family life between a woman and a man.”

And yet a significant minority of Poles believe that Poland and Polishness remain subject to foreign control and malign internal forces. It is a belief rooted in Poland’s traumatic past and the chaos and controversies of its post-communist transition – encouraged by Jarosław Kaczyński’s consistent assertions that this transition was, in fact, a sham. Poland’s present turmoil is the story of how anger at Poland’s liberals mutated into a war on liberal democracy itself.

It is an assertion that depends on the notion of Poland eternally under siege. There is no consensus as to precisely who or what poses a threat – it could be Russia or the European Union, it could be multiculturalism, it could be homosexuality, it could be western consumerism, it could be Jews or reds under the bed. What matters is the idea that Poland’s liberals, with their commitment to the nation’s existing institutions and nostalgia for its cosmopolitan past, are doing nothing about it. It is not “nationalism” in the traditional sense but something less coherent, more akin to a mood than an ideology – a narrative of righteousness, victimhood, and self-pity from which anyone can pick their prejudices as they see fit.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/16/conspiracy-theorists-who-have-taken-over-poland
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The (right-wing) conspiracy theorists who have taken over Poland (Original Post) pampango Feb 2016 OP
People don't like change. Change is work. Change is trouble. bemildred Feb 2016 #1
You are right. And reactionaries like change even less than most of the rest of us. pampango Feb 2016 #2
They are objecting to cultural change, which is what liberal interventionists are trying to produce. bemildred Feb 2016 #3

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. People don't like change. Change is work. Change is trouble.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 09:12 AM
Feb 2016

When you try to change too much, you get reactionary movements. We have several here, so does Poland, ISIS is a reactionary movement. People who want change mostly want change that goes back to something, people who like novelty and disorder are unusual, and dangerous, and useful.

Reactionary movements, as the article notes, generally don't make a lot of sense. But they don't care because they think they remember what they think they want.

This has much to do with the repeated failures of the liberal interventionists and their utopian gambles wherein one rips out the old order in some benighted foreign country and starts anew, as for example Bremer's Folly in Iraq, which has produced precisely the results that everybody said it would at the time.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
2. You are right. And reactionaries like change even less than most of the rest of us.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 09:43 AM
Feb 2016
Change is work. Change is trouble.

True. And change from the established order risks disadvantaging those who currently benefit from the established order, e.g. majority ethnic and religious groups, the economic elite, etc. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

When you try to change too much, you get reactionary movements. ... Reactionary movements, as the article notes, generally don't make a lot of sense. But they don't care because they think they remember what they think they want.

Well said. The 'good ol' days' always seem to be better than they actually were because people "remember what they think they want". Our republican base does exactly that in reaction to "too much change" although I am not sure what "too much change" they are reacting to other than a Black president and 'too many' minorities in the US. I don't see that the 'too much change' that Poland's and our reactionaries hate includes 'liberal interventionism'. Too many of them seem to be arguing for more 'interventionism' at least of the military variety.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. They are objecting to cultural change, which is what liberal interventionists are trying to produce.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 09:51 AM
Feb 2016

Generally, people like new tech, up to a point, new weapons, tools, or toys, but they don't like having their economic and social arrangements disturbed. And the older they get, the more they feel that way.

And once again, reactionaries don't make sense, arguments based on logic will not work. They want what they want. On the other hand, if you don't get in a hurry, the old farts die off and the kids are more open to new ideas, so if you take it slow, you do things that are downright impossible if you try to hurry them.

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