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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:32 AM Feb 2016

For the sake of Posterity, WHO was Justice Scalia at that ranch with?

Seriously. Who is this "friend"? How long before this nameless "friend" becomes "someone who worked with HRC" or "someone who feels the Bern" or worked for or with or because of POTUS?

This ain't our first rodeo, folks. We've seen them do it before

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For the sake of Posterity, WHO was Justice Scalia at that ranch with? (Original Post) LaydeeBug Feb 2016 OP
Enquiring minds just need to know. 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #1
The owner was named in the very first stories and has been named over and over. enough Feb 2016 #39
The questions are about the identity of the friend Scalia was with, not the ranch owner pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #41
Not the same Poindexter. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #47
Thank you Kentucky Woman. Definitely my mistake! (nt) enough Feb 2016 #50
He was with Goldman Sach's speech transcriptionist jberryhill Feb 2016 #2
...which depicted Sanders and Lewis forging a birth certificate morningfog Feb 2016 #56
Sumbitch... you cracked the case! jberryhill Feb 2016 #69
I'm more concerned with... Whiskeytide Feb 2016 #3
"except possibly a lover which I think is unlikely" Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #6
Just doesn't seem likely to me ... Whiskeytide Feb 2016 #16
Besides, haven't you heard? It was Leonard Nimoy Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #26
remember now abe lincoln himself warned us about believing stuff read on the internet saturnsring Feb 2016 #27
I though Snopes debunked that? Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #28
That's from a site that satirizes RW conspiracy theorists. :) nt pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #29
I'm not buying that conspiracy theory unless... Whiskeytide Feb 2016 #33
True, but he doesn't look to be closeted, as Craig clearly did Reter Feb 2016 #54
I get very suspicious of any person obsessesed with gay sex Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #59
I guess Reter Feb 2016 #63
I didn't say he was, only that I wouldn't be surprised Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #64
He refused Marshall detail? LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #7
One of the early stories I saw Sunday am on MSNBC, I think, ... Whiskeytide Feb 2016 #17
The U.S. Marshals Service issued a statement about that yesterday: pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #23
Thanks. That's what I thought I'd heard! Whiskeytide Feb 2016 #25
Yes, it is up to him. former9thward Feb 2016 #61
I keep thinking about poor married Nelson Rockefeller Merryland Feb 2016 #4
I just wonder about the no poprocks71 Feb 2016 #8
Well, it wasn't his wife on Valentine's Day Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #5
Do we know *anything* about this "friend" at all? LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #9
Nada Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #11
Neither was Obama former9thward Feb 2016 #60
I don't believe Obama has been forcing his morality on other peoplw Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #62
What? former9thward Feb 2016 #66
Personally, I do not feel that its anyone's business. Glassunion Feb 2016 #10
*Personally*, I agree with you. *Politically*, however....nt LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #12
Personally I do, he believed I have no right to privacy. denbot Feb 2016 #15
You deserve privacy in your private life, and medical choices. Glassunion Feb 2016 #34
Because his life mattered. Yours doesn't. That's how the elite think. nt valerief Feb 2016 #52
Oh, the irony Kelvin Mace Feb 2016 #20
I get the irony... However it does not make it right for me to make his personal life my business Glassunion Feb 2016 #32
Okay, we get that you sit on a very high horse rusty fender Feb 2016 #40
you don't think it's our business Skittles Feb 2016 #53
Yes, who? Someone with a case coming before the Court? mountain grammy Feb 2016 #13
Perhaps worse... 2naSalit Feb 2016 #19
Please, please, oh PLEASE, for the sake of posterior... Raster Feb 2016 #14
Or named Jose bigwillq Feb 2016 #24
...who happens to be half black and Jewish. Raster Feb 2016 #30
! bigwillq Feb 2016 #35
That's the funniest autocorrect I have ever read....nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #45
No autocorrect... intentional and purposeful. Raster Feb 2016 #46
You win the Internets today! nt msanthrope Feb 2016 #68
Thank you! Raster Feb 2016 #72
I want to know who picked up the tab for the big suite at the rich man's "hunting" lodge Warpy Feb 2016 #18
From what I read yesterday... 2naSalit Feb 2016 #22
It is fascinating. Who *else* was at this ranch? LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #37
I'm guessing all of the above. 2naSalit Feb 2016 #38
Sure they have done that before but this was an invitation jwirr Feb 2016 #21
wonder if this was another cheney*-esque man-hunter party.... Raster Feb 2016 #31
Scalia secret companion/murder suspect revealed! alterfurz Feb 2016 #36
It was Bobby Flay, in the kitchen, with a Baked Ziti. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2016 #48
Results... Major Nikon Feb 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Reter Feb 2016 #58
I can't get over the feeling that an unwitnessed death of an important government TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #42
According to Texas law an autopsy was required. mnhtnbb Feb 2016 #43
Yeah...my sense is someone's trying to protect his reputation here. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #44
That's the feeling I get too, but WHY is it always US "looking the other way" LaydeeBug Feb 2016 #49
Not quite accurate LanternWaste Feb 2016 #70
He was overweight and 79, but he looked damn good for his age Reter Feb 2016 #55
Why no autopsy? Did he have Alzheimer's like Reagan? nt valerief Feb 2016 #51
only mention is "a friend", no gender & no public police report, nothing. Sunlei Feb 2016 #65
Important questions. They touch on our unease that there's a "club" at the top Arazi Feb 2016 #67
Poindexter said early on it was one of his guests who also was friends with Scalia pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #71
Obviously, it was Cheney. n/t Jamastiene Feb 2016 #73

enough

(13,262 posts)
39. The owner was named in the very first stories and has been named over and over.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

John Poindexter. A household name for anyone who lived through the Iran Contra debacle.

I don't know why people think this is a secret.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/14/scalia-death-presidio-ranch-poindexter/80379846/

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
41. The questions are about the identity of the friend Scalia was with, not the ranch owner
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:30 PM
Feb 2016

That friend has not been identified.

And the ranch owner is John B. Poindexter, not the John M. Poindexter of Iran Contra notoriety.

KentuckyWoman

(6,694 posts)
47. Not the same Poindexter.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

John Poindexter owner of the ranch.





Vice Admiral John Poindexter of Iran Contra fame.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. He was with Goldman Sach's speech transcriptionist
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

...who had just found the only remaining photograph of John Lewis and Bernie Sanders together in 1964.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
3. I'm more concerned with...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

... the possibility it was someone connected with a case pending before the court. I can't think of any other reason he would refuse the Marshall detail and it would be such a secret - except possibly a lover which I think is unlikely.

Maybe it's just someone who values their privacy and has enough clout to preserve it. But it's odd.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. "except possibly a lover which I think is unlikely"
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:44 AM
Feb 2016

Why? It is not a new thing to discover that virulently anti-gay pols were actually "playing for the other team".

Ask Larry Craig.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
16. Just doesn't seem likely to me ...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

... but you're right - it's not like it would be out of character for a conservative to have not so conservative secrets.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
26. Besides, haven't you heard? It was Leonard Nimoy
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:37 PM
Feb 2016

who faked who is own death last year and came back to kill Nino. Nimoy's a member of the Illuminati you know.

Must be true, I read it on the Internet.



Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
33. I'm not buying that conspiracy theory unless...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

... it comes to light that George Takai is the mastermind behind Nimoy's actions, enabling his return to the present by warp-generated time travel. It just doesn't make sense otherwise!

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
54. True, but he doesn't look to be closeted, as Craig clearly did
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

Similar to Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond who also would surprise the hell out of me. Santorum OTOH...

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
59. I get very suspicious of any person obsessesed with gay sex
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:16 AM
Feb 2016

And to be honest, I met Jesse, and I wouldn't have been surprised at all.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
64. I didn't say he was, only that I wouldn't be surprised
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:42 AM
Feb 2016

His vehemence on the issue makes me wonder. It's like the virulent anti-abotionist who has either had an abortion, enabled an abortion for a daughter, or pushed a mistress to have an abortion.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
17. One of the early stories I saw Sunday am on MSNBC, I think, ...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

... was that the US Marshall Service is tasked with protecting SCOTUS justices, but that he had declined their offer to accompany him on this trip. It was offered as a reason there was no official Federal security at the ranch/resort when he died. I don't have time to google it right now but I'll look later and see if I can find it.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
23. The U.S. Marshals Service issued a statement about that yesterday:
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016
The U.S. Marshals Service routinely coordinates with the U.S. Supreme Court police to provide security for the Justices, however, Justices may decline USMS protection. In this instance, the USMS detail was declined for the personal trip to the hunting resort in Texas, so USMS personnel were not present at the ranch. Deputy U.S. Marshals from the Western District of Texas responded immediately upon notification of Justice Scalia's passing.

http://www.snopes.com/2016/02/15/scalia-autopsy-conspiracy-theories/

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
61. Yes, it is up to him.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:14 AM
Feb 2016

Eight years ago I took a summer course from him when I was in in law school. No security. He invited 3 of of us to go out for dinner for him at a restaurant in Arlington, VA. No security.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
4. I keep thinking about poor married Nelson Rockefeller
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

dying in the arms of young Megan Marshak of a heart attack. Is this the coverup?

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
60. Neither was Obama
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:08 AM
Feb 2016

He was golfing at a billionaires estate. Which he has done for the that 3 years Should we make something of that?

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
66. What?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:10 PM
Feb 2016

Every President uses his version of morality when making decisions and appointments. No one is neutral.

denbot

(9,901 posts)
15. Personally I do, he believed I have no right to privacy.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:11 PM
Feb 2016

Why should he get privacy when he thought you and I don't deserve it??

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/scalia-rejects-privacy-rights

Fuck that shitbag.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
34. You deserve privacy in your private life, and medical choices.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:52 PM
Feb 2016

He deserves it in his...

He had no fucking business thinking otherwise. However that does not change my mind.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
32. I get the irony... However it does not make it right for me to make his personal life my business
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

any more than he thought a woman's private life was not personal to her.

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
53. you don't think it's our business
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

when a Supreme Court judge is taking very expensive freebies from someone?

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
19. Perhaps worse...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

someone wanting a repeat of 2000 ? What if it was Kkkarl the rover or even the Grover!

And what if it was one of the kocktapus heads or even a snitch who plays a double role in the white house?

The possibilities are endless!

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
18. I want to know who picked up the tab for the big suite at the rich man's "hunting" lodge
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

Eventually someone will follow the money and we'll see just how completely corrupt that SOB really was. You can bet it was someone with an important case pending.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
22. From what I read yesterday...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

and I apologize for not offering a link, the owner of the ranch was throwing a private gig and everyone was there as a guest of the owner... a John Poindexter. Not the actual war criminal Poindexter, but perhaps a relative? And that in itself leaves a large gap in information when considering the connection to the owner of the ranch. Why was a member of SCOTUS going to this guy's all expenses paid gig with a "guest" of his own? Or was Scalia the "guest" of the "friend"..?

Fascinating mystery.

2naSalit

(86,798 posts)
38. I'm guessing all of the above.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

And I want to know about this Poindexter, that's not a very common name, especially among the "not connected"...
among a bunch of other questions.

ETA: I suspect it was a strategy meeting regarding how the election "should go".

Raster

(20,998 posts)
31. wonder if this was another cheney*-esque man-hunter party....
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 12:50 PM
Feb 2016

...You've got a five minute head start...GO!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
57. Results...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:49 PM
Feb 2016

On Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Scalia secret companion/murder suspect revealed!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7617205

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Anti-Italian bigotry, poster assuming we all eat lasonia. Is too much fried chicken racist if a hispanic died? You bet it is, and this is no better.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:47 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: w/out bush v Gore we would have had no 9/11, no ISIS, no Iraq war, no Afghanistan war,
no BP Gulf Oil Spill, no Ohio 2004, ...... the man was evil
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this was an attempted joke about Scalia's weight, not in great taste, but not worth a hide. And if anyone saw the interview with Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Scalia, he had a sense of humor about his weight himself.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is working overtime trying to be offended and just isn't that convincing. An Italian-American may not eat "lasonia(sic)", but I would at least hope they could spell it. Scalia was a well documented fan of Italian food, so the allegations of bigotry just don't hold much water.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Response to Major Nikon (Reply #57)

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
42. I can't get over the feeling that an unwitnessed death of an important government
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

official in a remote/unusual location should have resulted in an autopsy. I do think that's strange. I certainly don't think it's strange that a fat 79-year-old guy dies, but this is a case where an autopsy would have quelled any stupid speculation.

mnhtnbb

(31,405 posts)
43. According to Texas law an autopsy was required.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

But we've already seen what Scalia and friends think of the law: it doesn't apply to them.

My gut feeling? He died from too many little blue pills.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
49. That's the feeling I get too, but WHY is it always US "looking the other way"
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:08 PM
Feb 2016

had this been a liberal justice, there'd be a team of reporters outside her door and the news would be chronicling her credit report right now, and you know it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
70. Not quite accurate
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:28 PM
Feb 2016

In rural Texas areas, a justice of the peace typically makes the determination of the cause of death in cases when no witnesses were present. An inquest by phone is as valid as one in person under state law.

As per Bronson Tucker, an attorney for the Texas Justice Courts Training Center: "The huge majority of the time, if you have a 79-year-old overweight person and you have a statement from the physician and zero indicators of foul play, then it's not unusual for there to be no autopsy"

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
55. He was overweight and 79, but he looked damn good for his age
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 11:42 PM
Feb 2016

Just last week he appeared to be fine. Autopsies on anyone as high-level as him should be automatic. Too much "states rights" is crazy in cases like this. Ironic, isn't it?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
65. only mention is "a friend", no gender & no public police report, nothing.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:14 AM
Feb 2016

The PM private party was 40 people invited by the owner. I guess someone who doesn't want the general public to know he/she is a 'friend' who gets to attend the private parties.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
67. Important questions. They touch on our unease that there's a "club" at the top
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:38 PM
Feb 2016

and as George Carlin said, we ain't in it

No autopsy being performed says something isn't right about all of this

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
71. Poindexter said early on it was one of his guests who also was friends with Scalia
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:47 PM
Feb 2016

When that guest's son canceled, Scalia was invited.

Poindexter, who made his wealth in manufacturing, said he had only met Scalia once before briefly, in Washington. Scalia came to the ranch because he was friends with another guest whose son had to back out of the trip at the last minute.

"All the guests were friends of mine, I paid for all of them. There were no politics, no jurisprudence in the slightest," he said, declining to name the other guests.

"It was an honor to have him. He was widely admired. There were no speeches. He wasn't asked any hard questions, it was all about the outdoors and Texas, and what it's like to being a Supreme Court Justice."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Ranch-owner-laments-loss-of-Scalia-6830769.php
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