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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor the sake of Posterity, WHO was Justice Scalia at that ranch with?
Seriously. Who is this "friend"? How long before this nameless "friend" becomes "someone who worked with HRC" or "someone who feels the Bern" or worked for or with or because of POTUS?
This ain't our first rodeo, folks. We've seen them do it before
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Why are they not telling??
enough
(13,262 posts)John Poindexter. A household name for anyone who lived through the Iran Contra debacle.
I don't know why people think this is a secret.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/14/scalia-death-presidio-ranch-poindexter/80379846/
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That friend has not been identified.
And the ranch owner is John B. Poindexter, not the John M. Poindexter of Iran Contra notoriety.
KentuckyWoman
(6,694 posts)John Poindexter owner of the ranch.
Vice Admiral John Poindexter of Iran Contra fame.
enough
(13,262 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...who had just found the only remaining photograph of John Lewis and Bernie Sanders together in 1964.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)for a 3 year old Kenyen.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)That's why Lewis is denying ever having met him!
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... the possibility it was someone connected with a case pending before the court. I can't think of any other reason he would refuse the Marshall detail and it would be such a secret - except possibly a lover which I think is unlikely.
Maybe it's just someone who values their privacy and has enough clout to preserve it. But it's odd.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Why? It is not a new thing to discover that virulently anti-gay pols were actually "playing for the other team".
Ask Larry Craig.
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... but you're right - it's not like it would be out of character for a conservative to have not so conservative secrets.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)who faked who is own death last year and came back to kill Nino. Nimoy's a member of the Illuminati you know.
Must be true, I read it on the Internet.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)That it was actually President Polk.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... it comes to light that George Takai is the mastermind behind Nimoy's actions, enabling his return to the present by warp-generated time travel. It just doesn't make sense otherwise!
Reter
(2,188 posts)Similar to Jesse Helms or Strom Thurmond who also would surprise the hell out of me. Santorum OTOH...
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)And to be honest, I met Jesse, and I wouldn't have been surprised at all.
Reter
(2,188 posts)But I don't think so with Scalia.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)His vehemence on the issue makes me wonder. It's like the virulent anti-abotionist who has either had an abortion, enabled an abortion for a daughter, or pushed a mistress to have an abortion.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)How can he do that? Is it up to him?
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)... was that the US Marshall Service is tasked with protecting SCOTUS justices, but that he had declined their offer to accompany him on this trip. It was offered as a reason there was no official Federal security at the ranch/resort when he died. I don't have time to google it right now but I'll look later and see if I can find it.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)http://www.snopes.com/2016/02/15/scalia-autopsy-conspiracy-theories/
Whiskeytide
(4,463 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Eight years ago I took a summer course from him when I was in in law school. No security. He invited 3 of of us to go out for dinner for him at a restaurant in Arlington, VA. No security.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)dying in the arms of young Megan Marshak of a heart attack. Is this the coverup?
poprocks71
(15 posts)Autopsy thing. I mean declaring him dead over the phone?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that's for sure.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)when was he supposed to come home?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Everybody is keeping quiet.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)He was golfing at a billionaires estate. Which he has done for the that 3 years Should we make something of that?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Like Scalia has.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Every President uses his version of morality when making decisions and appointments. No one is neutral.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)denbot
(9,901 posts)Why should he get privacy when he thought you and I don't deserve it??
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/scalia-rejects-privacy-rights
Fuck that shitbag.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)He deserves it in his...
He had no fucking business thinking otherwise. However that does not change my mind.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Neither is women's reproductive health, but their ya go.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)any more than he thought a woman's private life was not personal to her.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)get thee, then to a different thread, sheesh
Skittles
(153,193 posts)when a Supreme Court judge is taking very expensive freebies from someone?
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)I would put nothing past Scalia.
2naSalit
(86,798 posts)someone wanting a repeat of 2000 ? What if it was Kkkarl the rover or even the Grover!
And what if it was one of the kocktapus heads or even a snitch who plays a double role in the white house?
The possibilities are endless!
Raster
(20,998 posts)...let it be a rent-boy named Chad.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)An undocumented rent-boy from Chihuahua
Raster
(20,998 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)It's called an inyourendo.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Warpy
(111,352 posts)Eventually someone will follow the money and we'll see just how completely corrupt that SOB really was. You can bet it was someone with an important case pending.
2naSalit
(86,798 posts)and I apologize for not offering a link, the owner of the ranch was throwing a private gig and everyone was there as a guest of the owner... a John Poindexter. Not the actual war criminal Poindexter, but perhaps a relative? And that in itself leaves a large gap in information when considering the connection to the owner of the ranch. Why was a member of SCOTUS going to this guy's all expenses paid gig with a "guest" of his own? Or was Scalia the "guest" of the "friend"..?
Fascinating mystery.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Conflicts? Corruption?
2naSalit
(86,798 posts)And I want to know about this Poindexter, that's not a very common name, especially among the "not connected"...
among a bunch of other questions.
ETA: I suspect it was a strategy meeting regarding how the election "should go".
jwirr
(39,215 posts)only right wing party.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...You've got a five minute head start...GO!
alterfurz
(2,475 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)Colonel Mustard on the side.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Scalia secret companion/murder suspect revealed!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7617205
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Anti-Italian bigotry, poster assuming we all eat lasonia. Is too much fried chicken racist if a hispanic died? You bet it is, and this is no better.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:47 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: w/out bush v Gore we would have had no 9/11, no ISIS, no Iraq war, no Afghanistan war,
no BP Gulf Oil Spill, no Ohio 2004, ...... the man was evil
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this was an attempted joke about Scalia's weight, not in great taste, but not worth a hide. And if anyone saw the interview with Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Scalia, he had a sense of humor about his weight himself.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter is working overtime trying to be offended and just isn't that convincing. An Italian-American may not eat "lasonia(sic)", but I would at least hope they could spell it. Scalia was a well documented fan of Italian food, so the allegations of bigotry just don't hold much water.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #57)
Reter This message was self-deleted by its author.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)official in a remote/unusual location should have resulted in an autopsy. I do think that's strange. I certainly don't think it's strange that a fat 79-year-old guy dies, but this is a case where an autopsy would have quelled any stupid speculation.
mnhtnbb
(31,405 posts)But we've already seen what Scalia and friends think of the law: it doesn't apply to them.
My gut feeling? He died from too many little blue pills.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)had this been a liberal justice, there'd be a team of reporters outside her door and the news would be chronicling her credit report right now, and you know it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)In rural Texas areas, a justice of the peace typically makes the determination of the cause of death in cases when no witnesses were present. An inquest by phone is as valid as one in person under state law.
As per Bronson Tucker, an attorney for the Texas Justice Courts Training Center: "The huge majority of the time, if you have a 79-year-old overweight person and you have a statement from the physician and zero indicators of foul play, then it's not unusual for there to be no autopsy"
Reter
(2,188 posts)Just last week he appeared to be fine. Autopsies on anyone as high-level as him should be automatic. Too much "states rights" is crazy in cases like this. Ironic, isn't it?
valerief
(53,235 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The PM private party was 40 people invited by the owner. I guess someone who doesn't want the general public to know he/she is a 'friend' who gets to attend the private parties.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)and as George Carlin said, we ain't in it
No autopsy being performed says something isn't right about all of this
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)When that guest's son canceled, Scalia was invited.
"All the guests were friends of mine, I paid for all of them. There were no politics, no jurisprudence in the slightest," he said, declining to name the other guests.
"It was an honor to have him. He was widely admired. There were no speeches. He wasn't asked any hard questions, it was all about the outdoors and Texas, and what it's like to being a Supreme Court Justice."
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Ranch-owner-laments-loss-of-Scalia-6830769.php