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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:16 PM Feb 2016

WI State Supreme Court Rules Cops No Longer Need a Warrant to Enter Homes and Seize Evidence

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wisconsin-lost-4th-amendment-rights-single-vote-justice-appointed-scott-walker/

The Wisconsin Supreme Court just dealt a death blow to the Fourth Amendment, which is supposed to protect a citizen against unreasonable search and seizure. What’s more, the decision was made by a single, newly-appointed judge who was not even present when arguments were made in court.

In a 4-3 decision, the state’s highest court ruled that evidence seized in a person’s private home during a warrantless search can be used against the person under an expanded view of the “community caretaker” clause.

Police went to Charles Matalonis’ house after his brother was found bloodied at a nearby residence. Matalonis, admitting he fought with his brother, let the cops in, where they saw blood in the apartment and some cannabis. They wanted to look inside a locked room, and when Matalonis refused to unlock it, the cops broke in. There they found a cannabis growing setup, whereupon Matalonis was arrested and charged with manufacture of cannabis.

The Court of Appeals had previously ruled this to be an unreasonable search. However, in the majority opinion of the Supreme Court, “Justice Annette Ziegler found that police were not investigating a crime but exercising their “community caretaker” function by checking to make sure no other injured people were in the house.”


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WI State Supreme Court Rules Cops No Longer Need a Warrant to Enter Homes and Seize Evidence (Original Post) KamaAina Feb 2016 OP
Fat Tony would have supported that decision. Hoppy Feb 2016 #1
Do you have evidence of this? philosslayer Feb 2016 #5
Maryland v. King mwrguy Feb 2016 #6
The demise of Scalia is looking better and better sharp_stick Feb 2016 #2
Actually, from a 4th amendment perspective, you'd actually want Scalia on the bench. philosslayer Feb 2016 #7
I wasn't aware of that sharp_stick Feb 2016 #8
Scalia was a strict constitutionalist philosslayer Feb 2016 #10
where's your link for that defense of Scalia? (and the copyright violation) CreekDog Feb 2016 #13
I'm not "vigorously defending anyone" philosslayer Feb 2016 #14
Here's a bit more philosslayer Feb 2016 #16
No wonder you purposely left the link to your source off that post: CreekDog Feb 2016 #17
If I'm not mistaken philosslayer Feb 2016 #18
even the Slate article you linked to referred to this as "occasional" and "once in a while" CreekDog Feb 2016 #19
Ugly... TipTok Feb 2016 #3
When is Wisconsin going to make a turnaround out of their quagmire of political corruption? ladjf Feb 2016 #4
I don't know when Worried senior Feb 2016 #9
The Wisconsin situation is a microcosm of the National scene. ladjf Feb 2016 #11
Given the undeniable bias of the source,... MohRokTah Feb 2016 #12
Oooo. Absolutely horrible. W.T.F??? AgadorSparticus Feb 2016 #15
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
5. Do you have evidence of this?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

Scalia was a strict constitutionalist, and I know of no similar rulings where he would have supported this expansion of state power.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. The demise of Scalia is looking better and better
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:21 PM
Feb 2016

I can't see this getting through the USSC now. At least I hope not.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
7. Actually, from a 4th amendment perspective, you'd actually want Scalia on the bench.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

Excerpted:

Whether it's privacy in one's home, car or cellphone, Justice Antonin Scalia has emerged as one of the Court's most outspoken champions of Fourth Amendment rights in recent years, even if it means breaking faith and siding with liberal justices in closely divided cases.

Scalia's role as the premier defender of Fourth Amendment rights could be critical in a closely watched case currently before the Court about whether police can search a suspect's cellphone without a warrant upon arrest.

"Justice Scalia has been on the pro-privacy side of a lot of divided Fourth Amendment cases, especially recently ... [and] often very strongly," said Orin Kerr, a law professor at George Washington University.

In 2012, Scalia wrote the majority opinion reversing a defendant's conviction because the state gained key evidence by attaching a GPS device to his car. In 2013, he wrote a 5-4 opinion that police may not send a dog to sniff at a front door based on suspicion that drugs were being grown inside. Also in 2013, he wrote the dissenting opinion, joined by three liberal justices, against the court's 5-4 ruling upholding warrantless collection of DNA from persons who are arrested. Two weeks ago he lead another dissent against a 5-4 ruling permitting a police officer to stop a truck driver based on an anonymous tip that he's intoxicated.

"Relying on the history of the Fourth Amendment, Justice Scalia has become a frequent champion of broad Fourth Amendment protections — not only joining opinions by his more liberal colleagues, but also often writing powerful opinions in which they join," said Brianne Gorod, counsel for the liberal Constitutional Accountability Center. "Notably, in every non-unanimous Fourth Amendment case last Term, Justice Scalia sided with the defense."

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
8. I wasn't aware of that
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:09 PM
Feb 2016

I'm honestly totally surprised that he would be on that side of it.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
10. Scalia was a strict constitutionalist
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:12 PM
Feb 2016

And generally did not support extension of government powers. Including 4th amendment cases.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
13. where's your link for that defense of Scalia? (and the copyright violation)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

all your posts today defend Scalia, by the way.

and the thing is, despite your defense of him, there's still the matter of his vigorous defense of the government being able to put gay people in prison for homosexual acts.

how's that for his wanting to restrain government?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
14. I'm not "vigorously defending anyone"
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

I'm presenting facts. And the fact is, on the fourth amendment, Scalia more often than not sided with the liberal wing of the court.

Why do you find facts so frightening?

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
16. Here's a bit more
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:10 PM
Feb 2016

from Slate:

In 2013, Alonzo Jay King, Jr., argued that by swabbing his cheek and logging his DNA in a statewide database, Maryland police had committed a search—without a warrant, as required by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. Maryland’s attorneys likely expected Scalia to support the challenged law, which allowed law enforcement officers to collect and store DNA from any arrestee; after all, the justice had recently voted to allow strip searches of anyone apprehended by the police. Instead, Scalia responded to the state’s opening arguments with a brutal salvo of disbelief.

Ultimately, Scalia’s vote wasn’t enough to invalidate Maryland’s law; the usually liberal Justice Stephen Breyer sided with the other conservatives to hold, 5–4, that the statute was constitutional. In response, Scalia wrote a piercing, acerbic dissent, parts of which he read from the bench. To Scalia, the most galling feature of the majority opinion was its acceptance of the notion that Maryland took King’s DNA simply to identify him—not to log his genetic sequence in a database, as it actually did. In describing this bald misrepresentation of the truth, Scalia essentially accuses the court of lying through its teeth.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/09/justice_antonin_scalia_s_brilliant_liberal_moments_on_the_supreme_court.html

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
17. No wonder you purposely left the link to your source off that post:
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:26 PM
Feb 2016

look what it also says:

"When it comes to homes, cars and smartphones Scalia’s use of originalism is no hindrance despite technologies unavailable when the Constitution was crafted," Fredrickson said. "But when it comes to privacy matters concerning women’s bodies and sexuality in general, Scalia is nowhere to be found. The justice’s use of originalism therefore looks opportunistic or irrationally applied."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/antonin-scalia-fighter-privacy-rights-fourth-amendment

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
18. If I'm not mistaken
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:30 PM
Feb 2016

If I'm not mistaken this specific thread is about the fourth amendment. No one is disputing that justice Scalia disagreed with progressives on the vast majority of his judicial decisions. However, with regards to the fourth amendment, he clearly did not

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
19. even the Slate article you linked to referred to this as "occasional" and "once in a while"
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:36 PM
Feb 2016

no need to fluff his legacy.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
9. I don't know when
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:52 PM
Feb 2016

we're getting out of this mess.

I'm sure there are those here that think this ruling is wonderful because it's always the other guy you know.

Hope their rights get trampled and maybe they'll wake up.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
11. The Wisconsin situation is a microcosm of the National scene.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:40 PM
Feb 2016

When the "Establishment" gets their hooks in, it's difficult for the rank and file victims to get out of the mess.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. Given the undeniable bias of the source,...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:46 PM
Feb 2016

I would say more than likely the cops argued probable cause due to odor.

If that is the case, this decision will not be overturned on federal appeal given Wisconsin is in the conservative 7th Circuit Court of Appeals and the SCOTUS has an even split.

The mistake by the defendant was in allowing the cops through the door without a warrant. This should be a lesson for everybody. No matter what, cops show up on your door you do not let them in or speak with them without a warrant.

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