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kpete

(72,018 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:34 AM Feb 2016

A great interview with Mike Dukakis exposing Scalia for the fraud he was

.....................

I didn’t know who Scalia was until the last semester of my last year, when I took a class called Federal Courts and the Federal System, with a great man named Henry Hart. It is 1960. We are in the middle of the civil rights revolution. And there’s this guy in class who begins engaging Professor Hart every day in these long dialogues over whether it was appropriate for federal judges to reach in and take cases away from Southern criminal courts, in cases where, as everyone knew, if you were a black defendant, forget it. And this went on for about three weeks. (Laughs.) I finally turned to the guy next to me and said, “Who the hell is that guy?” He said, “That’s Scalia, he’s on the law review.” And I said, “Does he know what it’s like to be black in the South?”

He was no more an originalist than the man on the moon.

What was originalist about Bush v. Gore? What was originalist about the Second Amendment decision? What was originalist about Citizens United for God’s sake, Isaac? We have been regulating campaign contributions since the late 19th century. Where in the Constitution does it say that money is speech? Originalism? Are you kidding me?



http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/02/michael_dukakis_on_the_bush_family_antonin_scalia_and_donald_trump.html

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A great interview with Mike Dukakis exposing Scalia for the fraud he was (Original Post) kpete Feb 2016 OP
k&r... spanone Feb 2016 #1
Thank you, kpete! Octafish Feb 2016 #2
That's the reason they are trying to create this artificial legacy for him Hydra Feb 2016 #3
He's only being touted by the politicians who are expected to say things like this nichomachus Feb 2016 #5
Yup, they're totally trying to reagan him, Salviati Feb 2016 #11
They love their Saint Ronnie Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #29
+1 cui bono Feb 2016 #34
"speak no ill of the dead" is another tool in their arsenal for rewriting history, no less than FOX MisterP Feb 2016 #17
Screw that noise. For that prick, I will speak as much ill as I can. Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #55
I still can't get over the unjustified eulogy Obama... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #18
YOu need to study the meaning of protocol malaise Feb 2016 #22
I'm not much of a traditionalist.... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #23
he didn't order the flags to be lowered, that's just part of procedure for when these people die JI7 Feb 2016 #37
Actually, HE DID. Herman4747 Feb 2016 #41
Scalia was addicted to his own cleverness n/t nichomachus Feb 2016 #4
Scalia was a racist. Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #6
he was, and a raging asshole and psychopath Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #38
Fascinating. ronnie624 Feb 2016 #7
Thank you, kpete! I remember it well. nt Duval Feb 2016 #8
Thanks Kpete.. my 2 cents is that like ALWAYS bizzaro conservativeWorld will NoMoreRepugs Feb 2016 #9
The death of the corrupt and depraved Scalia has shown... tabasco Feb 2016 #10
No crocodile tears for Scalia here. Faygo Kid Feb 2016 #12
Scalia loosened his grip on reality The Wizard Feb 2016 #13
Hopefully what he's always done: Nevernose Feb 2016 #50
Great piece. Wish he would have expounded on why he supports Hillary. thesquanderer Feb 2016 #14
thanks - scalia was a self serving fraud whose policies resulted in misery and death MariaThinks Feb 2016 #15
Well, he was an original asshole! I don't know anyone who was quite as much of an asshole as he MADem Feb 2016 #16
Exactly! lark Feb 2016 #19
Brian Lamb asked Scalia who he followed in his decisions,the Constitution. True Blue American Feb 2016 #20
It's Worse Than That ProfessorGAC Feb 2016 #40
I did True Blue American Feb 2016 #52
Being from Boston, Rider3 Feb 2016 #21
Yes, he would have made a great president... Herman4747 Feb 2016 #42
The shame of it is navarth Feb 2016 #44
Agree LeftishBrit Feb 2016 #46
This was posted early this morning by Eric J in MN elleng Feb 2016 #24
Not too soon? Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #25
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #26
kick Angry Dragon Feb 2016 #27
K&R mountain grammy Feb 2016 #28
Huge K & R Liberal_Dog Feb 2016 #30
Scalia was the epitome of an activist judge for the elite mdbl Feb 2016 #31
Sad erpowers Feb 2016 #32
Mike Dukakis would be a great nominee to the SCOTUS. N/t roamer65 Feb 2016 #33
The ideal nominee for Supreme Court justice should be in his 50s or at least only in his 60s. JDPriestly Feb 2016 #51
We're putting a major U.S. base in Southern Spain? mackerel Feb 2016 #35
Originalism My A** jpb33 Feb 2016 #36
Y'all might enjoy Rude Pundit's take on Scalia Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #39
This is awesome kpete navarth Feb 2016 #43
the world remembers it's mobsters and dictators olddots Feb 2016 #45
Interesting take on Syria. Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #47
Very nice IkeRepublican Feb 2016 #48
Clear thinking, telling like it is, Dr. Xavier Feb 2016 #49
A penny for your thoughts polynomial Feb 2016 #53
But he was to the right of Marie Antoinette for Christ’s sake. 47of74 Feb 2016 #54

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. That's the reason they are trying to create this artificial legacy for him
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:52 AM
Feb 2016

Even as he probably burns in hell, he is being touted as one of our national treasures, sorely missed. His worth to the cause of the Establishment was indeed, probably incalculable.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
5. He's only being touted by the politicians who are expected to say things like this
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Feb 2016

In the hopes that when they croak, people will say nice things about them, no matter what kind of corrupt douchebag they were.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
11. Yup, they're totally trying to reagan him,
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:04 PM
Feb 2016

Because when push comes to shove there are no conservative heroes of the common man, there are no giants of conservative thought. There is no conservative FDR, no conservative Earl Warren. Any past republican that they could possibly put forward, would surely be derided as a RINO or Liberal today. The hallmarks of conservative thought include a selfish small mindedness that is the antithesis of heroism, and with their lack of actual heroes, they simply fabricate them from whole cloth.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. "speak no ill of the dead" is another tool in their arsenal for rewriting history, no less than FOX
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:08 PM
Feb 2016
 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
18. I still can't get over the unjustified eulogy Obama...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:22 PM
Feb 2016

...gave for the guy. Terrible Obama did that!! He also ordered flags to be lowered to half mast, when there are Nobel Laureates that that has not been done for.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
23. I'm not much of a traditionalist....
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:22 PM
Feb 2016

...we shall just have to disagree regarding how President Obama handled the matter.

JI7

(89,269 posts)
37. he didn't order the flags to be lowered, that's just part of procedure for when these people die
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:33 AM
Feb 2016
 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
41. Actually, HE DID.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

"President Barack Obama has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at the Supreme Court, where Scalia served for three decades, and other federal buildings throughout the nation and U.S. embassies and military installations throughout the world." from http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/02/flags_at_half-staff_in_honor_o.html

NoMoreRepugs

(9,461 posts)
9. Thanks Kpete.. my 2 cents is that like ALWAYS bizzaro conservativeWorld will
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:38 AM
Feb 2016

repeat a 1000+ times how Scalia was the greatest legal mind of his generation - no
different than the deification of Ronnie Raygun the mental midget

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
10. The death of the corrupt and depraved Scalia has shown...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:45 AM
Feb 2016

how extreme the national corporate propaganda networks have become.

Turn off corporate propaganda. Turn on Free Speech TV and Democracy Now.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
12. No crocodile tears for Scalia here.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:40 PM
Feb 2016

One of the worst and most intellectually dishonest justices in Supreme Court history. Worse than Rehnquist, if that's possible. For the sake of our nation, good riddance.

The Wizard

(12,548 posts)
13. Scalia loosened his grip on reality
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:48 PM
Feb 2016

years ago. He should have been impeached for Bush v. Gore, his son worked for the firm representing Bush. He should have been impeached for ruling on the Cheney / oil executive secret meeting case. But now what does Clarence Thomas do without his brain telling him how to vote?

thesquanderer

(11,992 posts)
14. Great piece. Wish he would have expounded on why he supports Hillary.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:54 PM
Feb 2016

His comments on foreign policy in particular--ostensibly Hillary's biggest advantage in the race--would seem to indicate a different preference.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
15. thanks - scalia was a self serving fraud whose policies resulted in misery and death
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:25 PM
Feb 2016

I find it odd when any liberal says, oh but he was smart and funny. I have never seen any brilliance in any of his writings, only mischief, closed mindedness and lies.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Well, he was an original asshole! I don't know anyone who was quite as much of an asshole as he
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:33 PM
Feb 2016

was on the Court. Thomas keeps his mouth shut (to open it, I suspect, would remove any doubt).

Love me some Mike D. You can still see him riding the T. He teaches at Northeastern. He's a visiting prof at UCLA--avoiding the winter weather, perhaps?

http://www.northeastern.edu/cssh/faculty/michael-dukakis

lark

(23,156 posts)
19. Exactly!
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:42 PM
Feb 2016

It's the conservatives dirty little secret that they try to cover with lies. They want and got activist judges, not strict constructionists. They use that phrase as a fig leaf and hope people don't pay attention to the truth of raw unbridled political rulings. Citizens United, personal right to carry guns and Bush v Gore are totally the opposite of following the constitution, in fact they all show total disregard for the constitution.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
20. Brian Lamb asked Scalia who he followed in his decisions,the Constitution.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:42 PM
Feb 2016

Scalia answered," I do not follow the Constitution. I follow the Federalist papers in my decisions.."
Watched that on CSpan last weekend.

ProfessorGAC

(65,180 posts)
40. It's Worse Than That
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:19 AM
Feb 2016

If you listened to what he said, there is a clear implication that he used the Fed Papers to surmise what the framers were THINKING when they wrote them.

IOW, he interpreted the constitution by thinking he could read the minds of people who have been dead 200 years.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
52. I did
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

And It was an eye opener that Scalia disregarded the Constitution so completely and bragged about it.

That explains many of his disastrous decisions.

Rider3

(919 posts)
21. Being from Boston,
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:55 PM
Feb 2016

I can confirm that Mr. Dukakis was a great governor and is a very down-to-earth, kind man. He would've made a great President, if Rove hadn't been at the helm of George Bush, Sr.'s campaign. Boy, did he get unfairly smeared.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
42. Yes, he would have made a great president...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

...better than Bill Clinton, that's definitely for sure.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
44. The shame of it is
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Feb 2016

his campaign sucked. That picture of him in the tank just made him look like a pencil neck. So tragic because I remain convinced he would have been a great president.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
46. Agree
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

Having been to Boston in the 80s, I was really impressed with him - especially in comparison with Our Own Dear Maggie Thatcher. I became a sort of one-woman Dukakis Fan Club of Great Britain, and was devastated when he lost. I suppose this was one of the factors that eventually led by a long route to my joining DU.

Was Rove already involved that long ago, or were you thinking of Atwater (horrible man!)

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
25. Not too soon?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 05:52 PM
Feb 2016

good. The world became a better place that day.

...and WTF was he doing partying with a guy who had a case coming up before the Court?

something he apparently made a habit out of.



Liberal_Dog

(11,075 posts)
30. Huge K & R
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 09:52 PM
Feb 2016

Scalia was an abomination on the Court. The damage he has caused to our Nation may never be fixed.

mdbl

(4,976 posts)
31. Scalia was the epitome of an activist judge for the elite
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

There is no other explanation for his behavior on the SC. His decisions lacked compassion and common sense and had a complete disregard for precedent. If that isn't an activist judge, what is?

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
32. Sad
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:29 PM
Feb 2016

It is sad this does not seem to happen more in the mainstream media. So far most of the mainstream reporters have been saying Scalia was an originalist. Very few seem to have asked was Scalia really an originalist, or was he really a legal genius. Many have been claiming Scalia was a legal genius while pointing out that he said giggery pokery and applesauce in his decisions. How is saying giggery pokery and applesauce a sign that you are a legal giant? Where is all that great conservative legal reasoning?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
51. The ideal nominee for Supreme Court justice should be in his 50s or at least only in his 60s.
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 05:26 AM
Feb 2016

You don't want to nominate a person to the Supreme Court, a life appointment, who will possibly retire or otherwise end his term within a decade or 15 years. You want someone who will serve on the Court a long time and develop a deep understanding of the history of the Court's decisions and the deliberative process.

So the ideal nominee should be as young as possible yet still be mature. It's not that easy to find a good candidate to fill a Supreme Court position.

jpb33

(141 posts)
36. Originalism My A**
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:11 AM
Feb 2016

He like many other conservative justices use the originalism argument as a way to inject their prejudices, bigotry, and elitism into their written opinions. They hide their prejudices behind the excuse they are constitutional originalists.

If you read his opinions he was no legal giant or great legal theorist.

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
48. Very nice
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:53 PM
Feb 2016

I wish there were more resources on him that worked it's way into the mainstream. Very interesting fellow that cuts through the shit without being a blowhard.

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
49. Clear thinking, telling like it is,
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:27 AM
Feb 2016

integrity, the man should have been president. Clearly, the country blew it, I really didn't like the 80's.

polynomial

(750 posts)
53. A penny for your thoughts
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:19 PM
Feb 2016

Obviously Scalia had a “Bloated Ego” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has said, "You can't separate speech from the money that facilitates the speech. It's utterly impossible."

Yes, it depends on relativity, and the realm of the Gaussian science, lets’ start with a penny for your thoughts. We know Scalia would give us lessons back to both the Gospel of Mark and the Gospel of Luke.

Or, the extremely poor widow places just two small coins, her two cents, into the offering. She finds greater favor with Jesus than those Scalia supporters.

The old phrase a penny for your thoughts, but now I got two pennies' worth, seem out dated now that Scalia found a new proof in mathematics in the fascist most principle structure of the Gaussian conservative party called todays Republican.

Give me all the money for your thoughts. Isn’t that exactly like a hold up. Isn’t that as machination, a crafty artful design intended to accomplish an unusual evil end.

Sorry Mr. Scalia if you don’t separate the money form the speech your Republican Party will choke.

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